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226. What’s the Best Pacing Strategy?

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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there, and welcome to episode 226 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners. And today, what’s the best pacing strategy? So we are in the middle of the spring racing season, at least we are here in the US.

And a lot of runners ask me questions about pacing for their upcoming race, should they start slow and try to finish fast? Should you start fast and try to make up for some time when you eventually slow down at the end of a race? Should you focus on your heart rate or cadence, your current pace or your average pace? Lots and lots of questions around pacing.

And believe it or not, there is one pacing strategy that has been proven time and again to be the most effective for most runners. So today, I’m going to answer the question of what’s the best pacing strategy so that you can go out there and crush your spring race this year.

But first, if you’re listening to this podcast, that means that your health, your fitness, it’s important to you, you want to feel better, you want to look better, you want to get stronger, you want to improve your running. And I want to tell you that all of that is possible for you. And I also want you to know that I can help you get there.

You know, I’m talking to you on the podcast and you’re listening to this and you’re taking in a lot of this information. I listen to a lot of podcasts, I listen to a lot of books. I hear from a lot of experts and a lot of different topics. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff.

But when it comes to the practical application of all that knowledge, nothing has been more helpful to me than having a coach show me what to do to guide me to mentor me to help me stay on track. I’ve had a bunch of awesome coaches in my life. And I’m a different person today because I’ve had these coaches.

And because I’ve had such an amazing experience with these coaches, it inspired me to want to be a coach. That’s why I do what I do. So I know how powerful coaching can be because I’ve experienced it firsthand.

So for you, if you’re listening to the podcast, you know, keep listening and learning. But if you want help applying this, consider working with a coach. Find someone that can show you the way, that can help you apply all this knowledge, somebody that can help you learn what works for you. That’s very important.

You need somebody that can hold you accountable. And it can’t be somebody that’s close to you can’t be your your spouse or your best friend, that typically doesn’t work. You need somebody to hold you accountable and help you to stay on track and stick to the plan so that you can get the results that you want faster and more effectively than you could do on your own.

Okay, and if you are interested in working with me, I’m always here for you. Just go to my website runningleancoaching.com, click on Work With Me and we’ll get together we’ll get on a call. We’ll talk all about coaching and how it can help you to become the most badass version of yourself yet, cool? Runningleancoaching.com and click on Work With Me. And hope to see you soon.

Okay, so it is spring season spring racing season. And we are in the midst of getting ready for a lot of spring races. Some people have already run, you know, maybe Boston or something like that. So just understand that there’s lots of races happening this time of the year. Typically here in the US, it’s spring and the fall. That’s our racing season.

But you know, there’s lots of stuff that happens in the summer and in the winter as well. But for now, let’s let’s focus on kind of some of the spring races. So if you’re running a 5k, 10k, half-marathon, marathon, and you are considering some sort of a pacing strategy, or you don’t know really what your pacing strategy should be. I’m gonna hope to answer that question for you today and give you a really solid pacing strategy that works for pretty much all runners.

It’s proven to be kind of the most effective pacing strategy. But one thing I want to start out with is just saying that you have to practice pacing in your training, okay, I can’t stress this enough.

You cannot show up on race day and expect for some miracle to happen. Like you can’t do all your training at a 10 minute pace and then just decide that you’re going to run a nine minute pace for your half marathon and be able to do that effectively. You have to practice your pacing in your training. Just stick to the script, okay.

And especially in your in your training, it’s important that you don’t get sucked into, you know, training at somebody else’s pace. You don’t want to get sucked into racing at somebody else’s pace, either. I’ve done that before, I’ve gotten excited at the beginning of a race.

And you know that, oh, I’m gonna run with my friend over here. And this person’s a little faster than me, and I just, I couldn’t hold on, you know, I didn’t stick to the script, I had a plan, I knew what I was going to do, this person was running faster than me. And I was trying my best to hold on.

But it really messed me up, because I wasn’t able to have a good race, because I started way too fast and was not able to handle that, because I wasn’t training that way. But this is important in your training as well, that you are running your paces that you are sticking to your plan so that you are fully prepared to run your, you know, hopefully predicted pace during your race.

But we get caught up in this as well like, especially if you run with a group of people or you want run with friends. And they might be faster than you or slower than you and you kind of get caught up in running with doing all your runs with them. But it’s not really at a pace that that you want to be running at. So you have to sort of do your own thing.

And a good example of this is that for me, I’ve slowed down this past year. Last year, I did a lot of slow running, I was training for this 12 hour event. And the whole point of that was just to, you know, be on my feet for 12 hours running, and be able to finish that and feel good at the end.

So I did a ton of slow running. And I just kind of took a break from the speed work and really wasn’t trying to race anything all last year. So my pace slowed down quite a bit. And then when I started running with my running group in January to start training for this half marathon I’m doing here next weekend, I couldn’t run the same speed as them, I couldn’t keep up with them.

And so it was fine. I was like you guys go ahead, I’m just gonna like hang back here. I actually started, I usually don’t run with headphones on with the training group because I like to talk to people. But I started bringing my headphones and started listening to podcasts and stuff because I was kind of running it at a pace that wasn’t really in line with the one of the pace groups in our in our room group.

So I was doing a lot of training by myself. But that was okay, I wanted to do that. That was what I needed to do, I was sticking to my plan. Okay, so I want you to do the same thing. So make sure that you are sticking to your plan in your training.

And then when you show up on race day, you have to stick to your plan, don’t get caught up in the excitement of the race, don’t get caught up, you know, just trying to keep up with somebody else.

And if you’re going to run with someone, you guys have to have a conversation ahead of time about what the plan is, you know, you might say like you, okay, I’m going to help you, I’m going to pace you for this because it’s your first half marathon, and I’ve done a dozen of them.

So I’m going to pace you, this is the pace we’re going to stay at, I’m going to stay with you no matter what, like that’s a conversation that you would have if you were you know, pacing someone, but if you’re just friends and you’re running, you might have to say, Listen, I’m feeling pretty good. Today, I’m going to you know, try to, you know, maintain this kind of pace. And if I leave you in the dust, you know, just don’t take it personally, you know, you got to have that conversation.

So everybody’s on board, and there’s no hurt feelings or anything like that. I think we put our feelings above, like what we really want for ourselves, you know, I don’t want to hurt their feelings. So I’m gonna try to stay with them. Like, don’t do that. If that’s not in your plan.

Okay, so probably the most important thing to start talking about here is that just stick to the script, do your training, make sure you’re following your your pacing plan, practice it in your training, and then on race day, make sure that you are following the plan that you have been practicing.

Remember nothing new on race day, right. Another thing I wanted to kind of touch on really quickly is this idea of a central governor. So there’s this concept called the Central Governor Model. And it’s not something that has been like 100% proven but it is very, there’s very compelling evidence that this actually is is a thing.

Okay, so the Central Governor Model says that your brain will monitor the body through your brain monitors to the body to make sure that your body doesn’t get too far from homeostasis. Homeostasis is like everything in balance, okay.

In essence, what we’re saying here is that the body is I’m sorry, the brain is the body’s control room. Okay? And it is like a safety mechanism and it’s keeping your body from dying. Alright, so when you’re out there running and you’re pushing yourself, and you’re trying to you know, PR your marathon or half marathon, your brain is going to tell you at some point this is dangerous, you’re going to die, you might feel like you’re going to die.

But a lot of times it is just your brain telling you that your body can continue. And they’ve done all kinds of studies where they’ve put people on treadmills or on on bikes, and they’ve just had them go until they couldn’t go any longer. And the people that could go longer, the way they structured the studies, they would, they would have people run on a treadmill or on a bike, and they would have them go as long as they could, until they completely fatigued, they kept cranking up the intensity.

And then they got to a point where they couldn’t go on any longer. And they repeated this over and over again. So they can only go to a certain distance before they crapped out, you know. But the interesting thing is, when they told them, oh, the person before you was able to go, you know, 28 minutes, well, then they were able to push past that.

And then they said, okay, with the person before he was able to go 33 minutes, and then they were able to push past that. So it’s interesting, because it isn’t the body that’s giving out, it’s the brain that’s telling them that they need to quit.

But if the brain is like, oh, I can go another three minutes, they’ll do it. It’s very interesting, right? So just understand that this has been a concept of Central Governor Model has been around or proposed by a physiologist, guy named Avi Hill back in 1924.

And he had this theory that the heart was protected by some sort of Governor so that you wouldn’t die from really intense activity, exercise. And then Tim Noakes has talked about this a lot. And he’s a modern day professor. And basically, he’s saying that, you know, the subconscious brain, there’s something in the subconscious brain, that sets the exercise intensity, that determines like how hard you are able to push, and just understand that, you know, the brain is going to be telling you that you want to stop, but chances are, you can continue going.

So just understand that that is a real thing. That Central Governor Model is probably something that we all have to deal with, when we’re pushing hard, especially in the late stages of a race. So if you’re trying to PR and you know that you’re getting close, chances are that you can keep going.

But if you’re like, if it looks like it’s not going to happen, it’s easier to give up, right? Because your brain is telling you one thing versus another, it’s telling you this is possible for you, you can do this, you only got you know, you just gotta like push it for the next five minutes, you can do it.

But if it’s like, oh, you’re probably not going to PR, you know, you’re just the the math isn’t going to work out, you’re not going to be able to do it, you might give up, you know what I mean? So it’s very interesting. So just keep that in mind.

I’m just putting this out there because I think it’s very fascinating the way that your subconscious mind can control what’s going on with your body. Okay, so and then there are also some different tools for pacing. So there’s assessment tools to kind of keep track of your pacing.

So, you know, heart rate monitor is one of them, your GPS, watch the time. And then there’s the RPE or rate of perceived exertion scale. So they these all have, you know, sort of pros and cons. You know, with your heart rate monitor, if you’re somebody that’s used to doing heart rate training, and you know that for you, keeping your heart rate at like a 140 is where you need to be, and that’s going to give you the best results, then then do that, again, you have to train with this stuff, right?

If you’re doing the GPS that might give you real time pace, that’s awesome. Sometimes the real time pace can be a little misleading because it bounces around a lot, you know, look down on my watch, you know, you have those different fields, you’ve got like the current pace, that’s your real time pace right now. And then you’ve got your average pace.

Some people like that current pace, because it’ll say, hey, I’m running an eight minute mile. But then you look down and your your nothing has changed. And it’ll say like 8:30, it’ll say 9:00, it’ll say 7:30. You’re like, what is going on here? Well, it’s not perfect. Okay, so GPS is not going to be perfect.

And then if you use your average, that tends to be a little bit better. But again, it’s not going to be perfect GPS, especially when you’re running a race in a urban area with a lot of buildings and stuff like that the GPS can be wildly off. People tell me all the time, oh, you know, this course was long, my watch thought it was, you know, 26.8 miles?

And I’m like, no, they measure the courses, they get that part, right, they get that part. They’ve done extensive measuring of courses to make sure that they are correct. So chances are, they’re not going to be half a mile or more off. You know, they might be a few feet off or something like that, but probably not even that. So just understand that GPS can be a little bit misleading and it’s hard to rely on that as a pacing tool, just so you know.

A better strategy is using time I think that If you’re trying to, you know PR a certain race, you know that if you’re wanting to run a four hour marathon, then you know that you have to cross the finish line, under four hours, like it’s just a matter of time, it doesn’t matter what your heart rate says, doesn’t matter what the GPS says just go by the time.

And at race expos, a lot of times, you can grab a pacing band. And so it is actually a band that you wear around your wrist. And it is a chart of what time you need to be at each mile marker.

Okay, so for me it let’s say, let’s just keep the math simple. Let’s say you want to run a 10 minute mile, that means your first mile, you need to hit that mile marker in 10 minutes or less, the next 20 minutes, 30 minutes, and so on. But once you get into like 16 miles or whatever doing the math can be kind of hard if you’re like trying to hit a 9:30 or something like that, right?

It’s like, oh, my god, I can’t do that kind of math. So having that band on your wrist is so awesome, because all you have to do is look down and go. Okay, my time is this, this is where I should be, I’m a minute faster than I need to be, perfect. I’m just gonna keep doing what I’m doing. So very, very effective pacings tool to use, it’s an assessment tool, you know. So go by time over pace, I think this is going to be very helpful for most people.

And then there’s the RPE scale. So that’s your rate of perceived exertion, just understand that you have to understand how it feels for you to run at 9 minute pace or a 10 minute pace or whatever. Like you have to be practicing this and you have to have gotten in touch with your own rate of perceived exertion so that you understand what that feels like for you.

When you get good at this though, this is awesome. Because you just know, Oh, this feels like a six on the RPE scale, this feels like a seven. Oh, maybe I need to slow down I’m getting into the eights. Or you can say this is a four, I can write this pace all day. So when you get good at that this is really an awesome strategy to use for pacing.

So most people make mistakes when they are running a race and some of the most common ones, especially for the longer distance races. You know, if you’re if you run a 5k, you’re going to be running pretty hard from the gun, you’re just going to run hard from the beginning.

And you’re going to, you know, put it all out there and you can kind of maintain a pretty high intensity for the duration of that. But then when we started getting into the longer distances, 10 K’s half marathons, marathons. One of the most common mistakes people make around pacing is just starting off too fast.

Probably the most common pacing mistake is getting caught up in the excitement of the of the event. I mean, it is super exciting. You’re down with thousands of people that got the music blasting or shooting off fireworks or whatever they’re playing, you know, Bruce Springsteen’s Born to Run as you cross the start line. It’s amazing, right? Probably the most overplayed song at the start of a marathon by the way, but just a little side note there.

So the most common mistake is going to be starting off too fast. And so one thing you want to do is not do this, right? Don’t try to keep up with people around you. Another common pacing mistake is running someone else’s pace, we talked about that already.

Don’t run a pace that somebody else has set, you have to set your own pace, you have to have been practicing this. And then the third common mistake that people make is running at varying intensities, you really don’t want to do this.

Most runners try to maintain the same speed. So they’re trying to maintain a certain pace, even when they’re running uphill. So what they will do is they will run hard and fast uphill, and then they will slow down a little bit on the downhills. And this is actually not a very efficient way of running. You don’t want to be varying your intensities. It’s not as efficient as just a smooth and steady approach. Okay.

And that really is the best racing or pacing strategy for a race is a smooth and steady approach. You don’t want to be bouncing all over the place. You don’t want to be all erratic with your pacing. You want to get into a pace pretty quickly. You know, for some races, you want a little bit of a warmup period and honestly the start of most races is going to give you that opportunity. If you’re running a crowded race, then the start is usually going to be pretty slow so you may be 30 seconds to a minute slower for your first mile or two. Whatever, that is completely fine.

And to do that, get into your, your effort level that you want to maintain for the duration of that race, a consistent effort level is the most effective pacing strategy. Okay? Please understand that that is different from your pace or your time. Now we want to pay attention to that stuff, especially the time if you’re trying to get you know a PR.

But the most effective pacing strategy is going to be to maintain a consistent effort throughout the duration of your race, that means that there will be times when you’re running uphill, and you might have to slow down a little bit or you’re running downhill, and you might be able to speed up a little bit, try to maintain that consistent effort level, I have used this pacing strategy to hit all my PRs, my 5k 10k, half marathon, a marathon is all all of those.

I applied this strategy right here consistent effort throughout the majority of the race, with a strong finish at the end. That’s it, that’s the that’s the most effective pacing strategy right there.

Think about it like this. If you have two cars, and they’re both driving the same distance, one’s driving steadily at 65 miles an hour. And the other one is constantly braking and accelerating, braking and accelerating, they’re going 40, they’re going at, both cars are going to arrive at the finish in the exact same time. One hour, let’s say, okay, but which one was more efficient, you know, which one had more gas in the tank at the end, you know, it’s going to be the one that just maintain a steady, smooth pace the whole time.

So this is a really good analogy for what your pacing strategy should look like. Okay, this does not mean that you don’t push hard in some areas of a race, it does not mean that you don’t finish strong, that is very important. You always want to have a race where you finish it strong.

And this is, again, something you have to practice in your training, you cannot just show up on race day and think that all this stuff is going to come together for you have to be practicing this stuff. Now, you’re not going to practice a whole half marathon like this, but you might do a nine mile or you know, or 10 miles at your race pace with a strong finish just to see like, where are you from a fitness standpoint, is this doable for you? Are you able to do 9 or 10 miles at race pace? And if you are, then your half marathon is going to be definitely doable. Okay.

So that would be my suggestion for the most effective about pacing strategy. And just keep in mind that, you know, we’ve got things to consider, we’ve got the excitement of the race, you gotta like make sure you’re calming yourself down, and you’re not getting caught up in the excitement or running somebody else’s race. We’ve got pacing versus time versus heart rate, all those things you have to consider.

I suggest if you can for longer races to get that pace band, so that you know where you’re supposed to be at each mile. And then settle into your your pace early or settle into your effort level that matches the pace that you want to that you want to hit early. And then maintain that just hold that smooth and steady pace for as long as you can.

Yeah, you might be able to run faster on some down hills, you might run a little bit slower on some of the uphill, it’s perfectly fine to do that. That’s going to give you the most energy efficient race, you got to conserve energy for the end. That’s why we like that strong finish because you have to conserve energy for the end. And if you’re running out of gas throughout the middle of the race, that end of that race is going to be terrible for you. I’ve done that so many times.

So I know exactly what it feels like where you get to mile you know 20 of the marathon, you’re like I am just done like this is like so hard because you went out too fast your effort level was all over the place. And you’ve just been wasting gas the whole time essentially. Okay.

So instead of going for some crazy erratic thing or starting slow or starting fast or anything like that, just try for smooth and steady for the majority. Okay, push it a little bit here and there but really smooth and steady and then aim for that strong finish at the end. Cool. And I hope you have an amazing race this season. I’ll let you know how mine goes here in a couple of weeks. That’s all I got for you today. Love you all, keep on Running Lean and I will talk to you soon.

220. Should You Lose Weight While Training for a Race?

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A lot of runners are told not to lose weight while training for a race. There are many reasons why they are given this advice (which I cover in today’s episode), but I don’t necessarily agree with …

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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there, and welcome to episode 220 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners, and today, Should You Lose Weight While Training For A Race.

So a lot of runners are told not to lose weight while training for an event. And there are many reasons why they are given this advice, which I’m going to cover in today’s episode, rest assured, but I don’t necessarily agree with all of it.

I believe that there’s a right way and a wrong way to lose weight as a runner, even when you’re training for an event like a half or a full marathon. So in this episode, can you and should you lose weight while training for a race?

But first, I know I share a lot of information here about nutrition, weight loss, improving your running, and building strength. And if you’re new to the podcast, welcome. But all this stuff might seem a little overwhelming to you and might be a little confusing, and you may not know where to even begin with all of this stuff.

So if that sounds like you, no worries, I’ve got you covered, I created a free training to help you get started with all this stuff. It’s called Five Simple Steps To Becoming A Leaner Stronger Runner.

You’re going to learn the basics of nutrition, strength, endurance and mindset, all geared towards you the long-distance runner. So if you’re ready to get leaner and stronger and become the most badass version of yourself yet, this free training is exactly what you need. Just go to runningleancoaching.com click on Free Training and get started on your weight loss journey today.

Okay, so why I’m talking about this today, should you lose weight while training for a race? I have heard from a lot of people that I talk to out there in the running community that they’ve been told that they should not try to lose weight while they are training for some event, like a marathon half marathon, even for a 5k.

Like you don’t want to, to you know, try to lose weight, just focus on running. Don’t worry about the weight loss. And it could even be bad for you, it could hurt your running. And there are a few things that I want you guys to consider when we talk about this subject today.

So, the first thing before I get into some of the reasons why we’re told not to try to lose weight while training for some event, the first thing to think about is what most runners think the answer is to weight loss.

So most runners believe, and even most coaches that I talk to, that the way you’re going to lose weight is to run more. So pick a race, pick a marathon, and start training for the marathon up to your weekly mileage, you’re going to be running more than ever, and you’re going to lose weight like crazy.

And I don’t know about you guys, but that was not always the case for me. In fact, I went through periods where I was running a lot and gaining weight. And I talked to people all the time who told me the same thing.

They’re like, yeah, you’re the first person that’s ever actually said out loud. What happened to me, was I was training for a marathon and I was gaining weight. And I don’t understand what’s going on there. All the experts tell me I should be losing weight, because I’m doing all this running. But this is the exact opposite of what’s happening to me.

And so I had that same experience, you know, I think there was a period there over the length of two or three years where I was running a couple of marathons a year, I was training for a bunch of ultra marathons.

And in that process, and it was just a couple of years, I gained like 40 pounds, that’s a lot of weight gain over the course of a few years. So for me, I had that experience of trying to, you know, run more and trying to lose weight, but it wasn’t working.

I was actually gaining weight in the process. Okay. So let’s start with why most runners gain weight while they’re training for a marathon. So one of the reasons why is that increased activity levels can lead to increased appetite. This happens for most people.

So you start training more, you’re running a lot more miles and you’re exerting a lot more energy, you’re using a lot more energy. And so your body’s natural response is to want to replace that energy that you’re expending. So you are going to be more hungry and so you end up eating more.

And especially if you’re eating the wrong kinds of foods, you end up overeating. And that’s a really hard way to lose weight. If you’re constantly overeating, then you know, your weight loss is going to be very challenging for you. Okay?

Another reason why a lot of runners gain weight while training for some events is they’re eating the typical runner’s diet. So they’re eating not only more food, but they’re eating that typical runner’s diet of all the carbs all the time.

And so when you increase your carb and your sugar intake, you are going to be holding on to body fat, you won’t be able to burn that body fat, it’s very hard to burn fat when you’re consuming a high, high carb diet, you know, the more carbs you eat, the more you crave carbs, and that makes it very hard to moderate.

And people are like, well just eat sugar. It’s fine, everything’s fine in moderation, you know, but I gotta tell you, I don’t know about you guys. But for me, eating sugar in moderation is very hard for me. Because the more you eat that stuff, the more you crave that stuff, and then you can’t get enough.

Your brain, and your body just want more and more and more. And it’s really difficult to moderate that stuff. And if you are a runner who is eating that typical carbohydrate-laden diet, so I call this being a carb-adapted runner, you’re you’ve adapted to using carbs as fuel, you will naturally need to consume more carbs to maintain high mileage, which leads to even more intense cravings, and an even harder time burning fat.

So your weight is mostly affected by your diet, not by the amount of exercise you’re doing. And nutrition has a much bigger impact on your body composition, the amount of fat that you’re carrying the amount of muscle that you’re carrying, versus exercise, exercise can help you to put on muscle, obviously, it can help you to lose some fat, but nutrition is a much bigger driver of body composition.

Okay, so we just have to understand that these are some of the reasons why you know, it’s why a lot of runners gain weight, even though they’re training for a marathon, okay? It’s not as simple as just calories in calories out. If it was that simple.

You know, you would always lose a ton of weight when you’re training for a marathon. But that is definitely not the case. And I talk to people every single day who tell me this, okay, so it’s not as simple as calories in calories out, increased activity levels lead to increased appetite.

Increased carb and sugar intake means your body’s going to be storing more body fat, it’s really hard to burn the fat. When you’re eating that high-carb diet, the more of that stuff you eat, the more you crave that stuff, the more you rely on that stuff for fuel for running, the more you want that stuff. So all of these things lead to it being very challenging to lose weight as a runner.

Another reason why runners are told not to attempt to lose weight while they’re training for an event is because just about every diet out there is going by this principle of calories in calories out, right?

So they want you to get into a calorie deficit and maintain it. And that’s how you lose weight. And that’s the principle that most diets follow when it comes to weight loss. And it works until it doesn’t work. So if you spend enough time in a calorie deficit, this is going to lead to a dramatically slowed metabolism.

So for example, if you’re eating 800 calories a day, you’re gonna lose weight doing that, okay, but eventually, your metabolism will slow down to match that 800-calorie energy intake that you’re getting.

Because your body’s like, listen, we’re only getting 800 calories a day, our energy output is, you know, at resting metabolic rate is 2000 calories a day, we need to lower that we need to keep lowering this until we can match the energy that’s coming in and over time, people that are in a calorie deficit for a long period of time, they find that their weight loss stalls for a long time and then they start to gain weight, because now their metabolism has slowed down to match the energy that’s coming in.

And it’s even worse if you’re training for something because then you’re exerting more energy and you’re not giving yourself the food that you need and the fuel that you need to repair and recover from all the training that you’re doing. You know, a lot of runners go into a calorie deficit while they’re training. And that’s a problem because your body needs the fuel.

You know most diets that are going by the calories in calories out principle is not recommended because you’re going to be lowering your calorie intake while you’re training. And your body can’t deal with that, like you need the fuel for running, you need the fuel for your running performance, you need the fuel for repair and recovery.

So being in a calorie deficit, while you’re training for a half marathon marathon is not recommended. And so that’s the main reason why most people are like, you know, don’t try to lose weight while you’re training for something, it’s really hard. And your running is going to suffer and it’s not good for you.

So this is why a lot of runners are told not to try to lose weight, while they are training for something, okay? The reason why a lot of runners gain weight, while training is you know, they are eating a diet that literally locks fat in their fat cells.

So when you’re eating a diet that’s high in sugar, and high in carbs, you are literally going to be holding on to fat and those fat cells. So their energy output goes up, right, because they’re training more, their energy intake goes up, because they’re eating more than ever. And they’re locking all the fat in their fat cells. This makes for a very tough combination if you’re trying to lose weight, right?

So runners who are trying to lose weight, and they’re training for an event, you know, they’re making a lot of these mistakes. So there is a better way to do things, okay? And this all focuses around this idea of burning fat, right?

If you want to lose weight, you have to burn fat, I think we can all agree on that, right? And if you’re eating the all-carb all the time typical runner’s diet, burning fat is going to be very difficult for you.

So imagine your body has a fuel tank, and there’s fat in that fuel tank, and then there’s carbs in that fuel tank, sugar, whatever you want to call it, it’s all the same thing. It’s all carbohydrates, essentially, the very top of that fuel tank, the most easily accessible fuel is the carbs as fuel. And your body has a very limited supply of that, but it is available pretty easily.

Okay, once that’s gone, you can start tapping into that larger amount of fuel that you have, which is your stored body fat, you can use stored body fat as fuel, which is amazing. But when you’re eating carbs all the time, you’re eating sugar all the time, you’re you know, training with all the carbs and the sugar and stuff like that, it’s very hard to get into that fat-burning zone, it’s very hard to get into that fat burning state, you’re not going to dip into the fat as fuel.

So when you’re eating that high-carb diet, this is what locks your fat in the fat cells. Insulin is the driver of this. So high-carb diet means high blood sugar means high insulin, high insulin, it locks fat into fat cells.

When you do the opposite, when you do kind of a lower carb diet, that means fat is available to be burned. So the low-carb diet means that your blood sugar is low, or you know normal, your insulin levels are normal and then fat burning can take place.

Okay, so high-carb diet equals storing fat, low-carb diet equals burning fat. Just keep that in mind. That’s a good principle to follow right there. So, if fat burning is the goal, which it should be, then everything you do should be to optimize fat burning.

So that means keeping the carbs low, getting into that fat-burning state and then maintaining it, you know, so switching from being a carb-adapted runner to a fat-adapted runner. So you’ve adapted your body to using your own stored body fat as a fuel source.

If you want to lose weight, you have to burn fat. And eating the typical runner’s diet of all carbs all the times means that you have effectively shut down fat burning and losing weight will be extremely difficult for you.

Okay, but what about running? Aren’t you going to crash and burn without all the carbs? Don’t you need carbs to run? And I think you know the answer to this already if you’ve been listening to this podcast at all, but I’m going to break this down a little bit for you.

So carbs, yes, they’re a great source of fuel for running. This has been pretty well established since the 1980s. You know runners have been using this all-carb approach to running since then. The problem with this is you’re relying on one fuel source, you’re relying on carbs for fuel and that’s it.

And it’s a finite amount of energy that you can store as you know blood glucose and glycogen that’s stored in your liver and your muscles. It’s like around 1800 to 2000 calories of fuel essentially. And this is going to run out in it’s different for each person. But let’s say around 90 minutes or so, and you’re gonna hit the wall and you’re gonna crash and burn.

This is like so many runners hit the wall in the later stages of a marathon, they literally run out of gas in the tank, you know. And for most people, that means that even if you’re running half marathon, you’re gonna be probably hitting the wall, three-quarters of the way into the race.

All right, you know, unless you’re super fast, and you get it done in less than 90 minutes. But for most of us, I think, you know, two hour-ish, you know, half, you know, somewhere around that range is pretty normal.

But if you’re relying on carbs for that, then it’s going to be tough for you. Okay. Another issue with relying solely on carbs as fuel, is that you have to keep ingesting carbs in order to sustain the running. And this can cause a lot of stomach distress with people, it can cause disaster pants, which is something you definitely don’t want to happen while you’re out there running a race.

Have you ever seen somebody sprint off to the Porta Potty, they’re like, oh, maybe a little too much sugar, I don’t know. But the other source of fuel that your body produces naturally is fat, stored body fat. This is an incredible fuel for endurance athletes.

And listen, the whole reason we store fat is to use it later for fuel, you know, eat some food, some of that energy gets used right away from the food that we eat. And some of that gets stored as fat. This is the natural order of things.

This goes back to our ancient ancestors, who went through periods of feasting and fasting, they were very well adapted to use their own stored body fat as fuel, you know, they would find food, meat, berries, honey, whatever some of that energy would be used right away, some would be stored as body fat, then they would have periods were fasting, where they were fasting. And food was kind of scarce, you know.

But it wasn’t a problem because they had all the fuel they needed on board. And they tapped into that stored body fat they were they were fat-adapted, essentially. And I think this is our natural state as human beings to be fat adapted. In order, it’s during these times of limited food availability, that we develop the ability to use our own stored body fat as fuel, and it’s very effective. And we use it very, very well.

Humans do it, animals do it. Think about a bear fattening up for the winter. And then they can live all winter long, hibernating, essentially using their own stored body fat as fuel. And you see those bears coming out of hibernation, they’re all skinny. It’s pretty funny looking, actually.

But they’ve essentially been using that stored body fat as fuel. And so we have that same mechanism built in basically, you know, I kind of feel like hibernating all winter, that would be amazing.

The problem with us as humans, though, is that we never stopped storing the fat we’re just constantly eating the kinds of foods and overeating and just always adding fat to the equation and never burning the fat, right?

So if you want to lose the weight, you have to burn the fat you have to get your body into that fat-burning state and maintain that fat-burning state. So you need to get fat-adapted, you need to adapt to using your own stored body fat as fuel.

So using your own body fat as fuel against the natural state of is humans, we’ve been doing it for millennia. It’s a very effective fuel for endurance activities like persistent hunting or running a marathon. You know, if you can only store 1800 to 2000 calories of glucose or glycogen, as you know for sugar.

Basically, as a carb-adapted athlete, you can easily store more than 100,000 calories as fat. Even the leanest runners have enough body fat to run for days and days nonstop without the need to refuel. That fat is an amazing source of fuel for endurance athletes, okay?

And again, this isn’t some weird fad. Using fat as fuel is something we’ve always done as human beings. Lots of endurance athletes, lots of the top endurance athletes in the world are actually using this approach this fat adaptation approach as a tool to improve their endurance and their racing performance.

So it’s not something they’re doing because it’s detrimental to running, they’re doing it because it’s really beneficial. And it actually gives them an edge it gives them a tool that most runners are not using. When you can get really good at burning fat you have a tool that most other people are not using.

And then fat-adapted doesn’t mean that you never use carbs for fuel. It means improving fat burning immensely. And also using some carbs as fuel so you can get the best of both worlds. So you can use both of these fuel sources very effectively. And you can kind of go back and forth between the two and use two at the same time.

And most runners don’t do this. They’re just using the one form of fuel they’re using the sugar as fuel and they’re trying to I just rely on that as the only source of fuel. So they’re leaving this whole other thing on the table. So don’t do that.

But when you’re using fat as fuel, what happens? You burn the fat, your you lose the weight, like this is an amazing way of not only improving your running performance but also losing weight. And yes, you can do this while you’re training for an event or a race. Okay.

So I think you know, the answer here is pretty clear, you can do both, you can train for a race without inhibiting your performance. And you can lose weight in the process. But you have to take a different approach, you can’t do the all-carb approach because for most people, that just doesn’t work.

For some people that works great, and that’s fine. If you don’t have a problem getting you know, gaining weight while you’re training and stuff like that, then you keep doing your thing. That’s awesome. But if you’re somebody who gains weight, well, whenever you even look at carbs, or when you’re training for something, and you’re like, why am I gaining weight while I’m training for this marathon?

If that sounds like you, then cutting down the carbs might be a way to get your body burning fat. And that might work really well for you. You know, don’t cut your calories. That approach probably isn’t going to work either. You know, you got to give your body the fuel that it needs, but cut out the carbs and the sugar and see if that helps.

Okay, get your body into the fat-burning state. It’ll help improve your weight loss. It’ll help improve your running performance. And I think it’s definitely something you should try. Cool. All right, that’s all I got for you today. Love you all, keep on Running Lean and I will talk to you soon.

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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there, and welcome to episode 217 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners. Today, I’m talking about five ways to improve your endurance. So whether you are just getting into running, or maybe you’ve been at it for a while, you should be actively working on improving your endurance.

And there are many, many methods out there that are designed to help you improve your endurance. But there are a few key principles I think most runners overlook. So today, I’ve got five ways to improve your endurance to help you run longer, and make running easier in general, who doesn’t want that? I know I do.

But first, I know I share a lot of information here on the podcast about running and nutrition and weight loss and building strength and all these topics. And if you’re new to the podcast, this might all feel a little bit overwhelming and confusing to you. And you just don’t know where to start.

You’re like Patrick, where should I start? Well, funny, you should ask because I created a free hour-long training video that can get you started. It’s called 5 Simple Steps To Becoming A Leaner Stronger Runner.

You’re going to learn all the basics of nutrition and endurance and mindset and building strength. All for you the runner who is maybe interested in improving your body composition, losing some weight.

So if you’re ready to get leaner and stronger, and you’re ready to become the most badass version of yourself yet, which you are, I know you are, then this free training is exactly what you need.

Just go to runningleancoaching.com click on Free Training. I know it’s so logical, right? And get started on your weight loss journey today. Okay, so five ways to improve your endurance. Why am I talking about this today?

Well, lots of runners that I talked to don’t know where to begin with this, or they are not really working to improve their endurance, and they don’t understand why they’re not improving their endurance.

So if you’re a new runner, you might have no idea how to build your endurance, you might be just thinking that you’re just going to run and just keep running and just see if it pans out, you know, see if it works.

Somehow see if some magic happens, where you’re going to be, have more endurance, be able to run longer, and maybe run easier. Seasoned runners that I know, might not be feeling very good when they run and they’re like, I don’t understand what’s happening here. I’m running all the time, but I can’t seem to get faster, I can’t seem to run longer, running still feels really hard all the time.

So you know, whether you are a new runner, and just getting started with all this or you’re a more advanced runner or a seasoned runner, and you want to improve your endurance, then you should be actively doing a few things to help you improve that endurance.

Okay, so, and like I said at the beginning here, there’s a lot a lot of principles, if you just start Googling, you know how to improve your endurance as a runner, you’re going to find 20, 30, 40 different ways of doing that. I’m going to narrow it down to a few that I found, or that I that I tend to help people with more than others.

Because these are the things that kind of get overlooked a lot. Okay, so I’m going to talk about some things that may be overlooked. Okay. So why would you want to be actively improving your endurance as a runner?

Well, you might want to run longer distances. So maybe you’ve got a certain race distance that you’re training for, or that you would like to do someday. So maybe you’re a 5k runner, and you want to be able to run a 10k.

Or maybe you’re doing half marathons and you want to run a full marathon, or maybe you run full marathons and you’re ready to take on an ultra marathon. You know, so whether you want to run, you know, five miles or fifty miles, I think that building your endurance as a runner, or improving your endurance as a runner is key, it’s just going to make running feel easier. Okay?

So you might run a longer race, you might just want to run more miles every week. So you might love running, and you just want to be able to run more. So you just want to instead of running, you know, 10 or 15 miles a week you want to bump that up to like 15 or 30 miles a week.

So you don’t necessarily want to train for some ultra marathon, but you just want to be able to run more days or, you know, longer distances. For each typical training run that you do, you might want to run a faster race. So you might want to get faster for a particular distance.

So that could be whatever, whatever distance your jam is, but you may want to get faster and improve your endurance. Sounds kind of counterintuitive, but it can actually help you to get faster, I’m gonna talk about that here in just a minute.

And you might just want to improve your endurance for your heart health because improving your cardiovascular system is so good for your heart, right? The bottom line here is that you probably just want running to feel easier.

And I think most of us would agree that yeah, I want running to feel easier. Now I have to say this running is never going to feel easy, but it can feel easier. Running is hard. You know what I mean? Like, you get out there and you run. And it’s kind of hard, you know, but have you ever had one of those runs where you’re like, that just felt it felt easier, like that felt really good, you know, for a change?

That’s what we want, we want running to feel easier, it’s still going to be a workout, you know, just like swimming is a workout, cycling is a workout, but we want it to feel a little bit easier. Because when it feels easier, you’re going to want to do it more, and you can go longer if it’s feeling easier, right?

So I’m going to give you guys a couple of keys, here, I have five different ways that we can improve our endurance. And the first one is this, and this is going to come as no surprise to you, but it is to just run more so increase your volume.

So increasing your volume is the easiest way that you can build your endurance and build that aerobic system. So the aerobic system, you know, is the slow running system that you use, for most of your running, hopefully, something around like 80% of your running should be done in that aerobic zone.

Which means you’re not pushing it too hard, you’re going pretty easy. So the simplest way to run to increase your endurance is to run more, you know, it’s just like anything else, when you practice doing it more, it becomes easier.

You know, like, if you want to play the guitar, you got to practice playing the guitar and you’re gonna suck at it for a while, it’s gonna be hard, but the more you do it, the easier, it’s gonna get the same with running, you want to run longer than you have to practice running longer. If you want to run more, you gotta practice running more. Okay.

So why this works is because you are building an aerobic engine here, right? This is your endurance engine, this is probably the most important factor in long-distance running is building that strong aerobic engine.

Okay, so most training programs, they feature a lot of aerobic running, and some of them have some speed work built into them. But that that aerobic engine, your ability to run longer, at a slower pace is slower, you know.

Pace is the number one thing you can do to improve your endurance, okay? So if you want to improve your aerobic engine, increase the volume that you are running, and that will help you to build a stronger aerobic engine, it also helps to increase your running efficiency.

So when you can run more efficiently, you’re going to be able to run further, this is going to improve your endurance as well. And running, you know won’t use as much energy. You know, a lot of running, especially when you get into longer distance stuff is about energy conservation, right? We don’t want to be spending energy, flailing your arms around, or running all weird.

I’ve seen some people that run pretty weird. And I’m like, man, how do they do that? Like they, they can run long distances, and they have some strange gaits, you know. But when you run more, you can typically improve your gait. And one thing I’ll just say, a little sidebar about improving your gait or changing your gait as a runner.

As a running coach, we’re sort of taught that we shouldn’t really mess with people’s gaits too much like you should just run the way that you run because that is going to be the most natural way for you to run.

So don’t think that you’re running wrong. Just because you’re going to gradually when you increase your volume, your running volume, you are going to get more efficient running the way that you run naturally.

So I know it sounds kind of weird, but like don’t worry about if you have a weird gait or something like that or if you don’t think your running form is very good. Don’t worry about it seriously. Just run the way you run and over time, you’re going to be very efficient running that way.

Okay, for the most part now, there are some rare exceptions of people that have really weird flailing legs or arms or something like that, which we probably want to check out a little bit. But for the most part, your running gait is fine. So don’t don’t stress out about that too much.

Okay, so we want to improve our running efficiency, we want to be more efficient as a runner, and we want to use less energy as a runner, and increasing your volume will help with this. When you increase your volume, you also are preparing yourself for fatigue in races especially the longer runs right, when you increase your mileage, you’re going to be dealing with fatigue pretty often, and you’re going to get better at dealing with fatigue, fatigue is something that will happen.

It just happens, you know, it’s part of running. And so consistently dealing with fatigue and pushing yourself to that point of like, oh, I’m feeling pretty tight, this is really hard. That’s a good thing.

And that leads me to the last reason why increasing volume will help you improve your endurance is it helps you to build resilience and helps you to build mental toughness, you know, you’ve done all this hard work, you’ve you know, hit fatigue a bunch of times in your training, you’ve run longer distances, you’ve improved your volume immensely.

Now you have some resilience and mental toughness, some grit, okay, so when it’s time to dig deep in a race when you got to like really push it towards the end of a race in order to hit that PR or something like that, you’re going to have that mental toughness that’s going to be there. Okay?

Now, a little pro tip about increasing your mileage. Don’t feel like you can just do a huge increases in your mileage, you know, week to week, you don’t want to do too much too soon. This is what most new runners do. They’re like, oh, I can run. You know, I ran five miles last week, I’m gonna run 10 miles next week, don’t do that.

Try to stick to the 10% rule. That means that we never increase our mileage more than 10%. So for new runners, I would stick to this pretty hardcore. If you’re a pretty experienced runner, and you have been running for years and you’re not injured or anything like that you can be a little looser with the 10% rule. You can do 15%, you know, sometimes 20%, but don’t want to go too much too soon. This is a recipe for disaster, especially for most new runners.

Most new runners, they get injured because they do too much too soon. So increase your volume slowly. That means if you run 10 miles this week, next week, you’re gonna run 11 miles, and then you’re gonna just keep using that 10% rule. Okay, it takes time. So just give it the time that it needs, but increase your volume. That’s number one.

Number two, and this is one where I don’t see a lot of people talking about this, but you probably want to change your diet, you probably want to start training your body to use a fuel source that you have onboard already. That will help improve your endurance immensely. That is your own stored body fat.

And this is called getting fat-adapted, it means that you are basically switching your main fuel source from sugar to fat, from carbohydrates to your own stored body fat. If you want to take a deep dive into this, I talked about getting fat-adapted and using fat as fuel in the last episode of the podcast, number 216: An Alternatieve Way To Fuel Long Distance Running.

So definitely check that out. But here’s some little key takeaways here. Number one, think of your energy stores as a fuel tank. And at the very top of the fuel tank you have this tiny little sliver of sugar or carbohydrate that’s available as fuel.

And then below that sugar, you’ve got this massive storage tank of stored body fat as fuel. So most runners what they’re doing is they’re using the sugar at the top a little tiny bit of the fat. Yeah, we always are burning a little bit of both.

But most runners are burning primarily sugar and when that is available, that’s all they’re going to burn so they have to continually feed with carbohydrates in order to keep that sugar fuel tank that sugar part of the fuel tank topped off.

When you’re doing that you are just relying on sugar as a fuel source and it is a good fuel source for running it does work, but there are problems with that. Eating a lot of sugar causes a lot of people to gain weight and I’m one of those people.

Eating a lot of sugar, especially during running can really upset a lot of runners’ stomachs. And that is not something you want. You don’t want to have disaster pants while you’re out there running. I hear too many stories about that actually, and I don’t really need to know about what’s going on during the run when you’re eating too much sugar.

But people have really upset stomachs with trying to consume all that sugar. And most runners are not really fat-adapted, so they’re not using that stored body fat as fuel. So they hit the wall pretty often, like they just run out of fuel, because that that small little bit of fuel once it’s gone, they haven’t trained themselves to tap into that stored body fat.

So getting fat-adapted just means you’re primarily burning fat as fuel, and you’re not really relying on all the sugar, which is such a good way to go. Because then you don’t need to feel as much during these longer runs, you won’t get the stomach upset.

And you can basically, you’re going to feel like you can run forever like you’re going to feel like you can run long distances much longer. So this is a great way to improve your endurance that just not a lot of people are talking about out there. Okay.

That’s one principle that most runners overlook. But it is key if you want to improve your endurance as a runner, change your diet, get fat-adapted, ditch the sugar, and start you know, relying on your own stored body fat as a fuel source and your endurance is going to go through the roof. Again, check out the last episode number 216 on a deep dive into getting fat-adapted.

Okay, the third way to improve your endurance is to get stronger. So you want to be intentionally building strength as a runner. And this means like head to toe, actively building strength every single week, this has to be part of your training regimen.

You can’t just go well you know, I do strength training a couple of times a month or whatever, once a week, that’s just not enough. And again, I did a whole episode talking about how to build strength and the benefits of building strength in episode number 199. So check out that episode for sure I take a deep dive into how to do it and, and how to actively build strength.

But when we’re talking about building strength, we’re talking about building stronger muscles, you go to the gym, you lift something heavy, you overload the muscle group that you’re working, and then you have a positive adaptation, you build stronger muscles, okay?

Stronger muscles take longer to fatigue, this is a good thing as a runner, that means you can run much longer before you hit the wall because you have stronger muscles and you can go longer before your muscles are going to give out on you. Okay?

Building strength does not just mean stronger muscles, it also means you build stronger connective tissues like tendons and ligaments, and stronger bones as well, which is really important. But that tendons and ligaments, this is where most runners get injured.

Most running injuries are tendon injuries, like a tendinitis type of thing, which basically just means like you have a pulled or strained tendon of some sort, you know. And if you are a runner, and you’re ramping up your mileage and you want to build your endurance, you do not want to get injured through this process, right?

So actively building strength on a regular basis will help you to stave off injury, and help you to improve your endurance at the same time. So win-win.

Now running will help you develop stronger muscles, especially stronger leg muscles. And runners are like, well, I’m running and so that’s enough. That’s all I need to do. But it’s really not enough, okay, it’s not enough to just run.

First of all, you have to understand that running is a catabolic activity, meaning it breaks down muscle tissue, especially if you’re running a ton of mileage. So if you’re not actively doing some strength training to offset that and getting enough protein, you’re probably going to be losing muscle in the process.

Now it doesn’t mean you’re going to you know, waste away to nothing because running does help to develop muscle. But there’s a little bit of a breakdown that’s happening as well. So what you want to do is you want to hit the gym, and you want to be actively building stronger muscles, especially the stronger leg muscles in the gym.

Because when you do that, that’s going to help improve your running endurance, it’s going to help improve your speed as a runner, it’s going to help you become a more powerful runner. Strong runners are fast runners, strong runners are more powerful runners and strong runners can go longer.

So the third key really to improving your endurance is to get stronger because you’ll be able to go longer, you’ll stave off injury, and you’re going to be running is just going to feel easier for you.

Okay, number four is to run faster. I know this sounds counterintuitive if you want to improve your endurance you have to run faster. But speed work is one area that gets overlooked by runners who want to improve their endurance.

Most people have a love-hate relationship with speed work, they hate doing it. Maybe it’s a hate-hate relationship. They hate doing it. And it feels terrible. But the love part of it would be this: when you do speed work consistently, running will get easier.

You know, if you want to be a faster runner, you probably understand that you need to do your speed work, right? But doing the speed work. And doing it consistently will also help to improve your endurance as well. And most runners don’t realize this.

And when I talk about doing speed work, we’re talking about anything where you’re running and you’re pushing it, you start to feel like you’re pushing it a little or pushing it moderately hard, too hard.

So if you’re not pushing it, then that’s what we call the aerobic zone or easy running, this is a good thing. Just think of the cutoff as just being like, I don’t really feel like I’m pushing it at all. That’s when you’re in the aerobic zone.

But if you’re like, oh, I’m pushing it a little bit or I’m pushing a priority right now, that’s then you’re into the doing the speed work type of zones, okay. So really, I love HIIT training and I love tempo runs.

Tempo runs are where you’re running consistently, at a faster pace than your goal, half marathon or marathon pace, whatever your race pace is, let’s say your race pace is a 10-minute mile, then tempo runs need to be done 30 to 60 seconds faster.

So you might do a mile warm-up. And then you’re going to run 2, 3, 4 miles at that tempo pace. So that is like 30 to 60 seconds faster than your race pace. And then you’re going to do like a mile cooldown, okay, that’s a tempo run.

HIIT training is high-intensity interval training, this can be any kind of interval, it could be four hundred repeats, it can be thirty-second sprints, it can be hill repeats, it can be, I like to do longer repeats like 1/3 mile repeats, that you could do eight hundreds, like there are so many different ways of doing HIIT training, but it is so good for you.

So doing the speed work is key. If you want to run longer, then you need to improve your speed. So you want to do the speed work. Here’s why. When you do speed work, this will help to improve your VO2 max. This is the maximum amount of oxygen that you utilize while you’re running.

Higher VO2 max levels will indicate better aerobic capacity and improved endurance. Also, the speed work helps to improve your lactate threshold. So it can raise your lactate threshold doing the speed work will cause your body to produce lactate while you’re training.

Your body will then adapt and burn the lactate more efficiently the next time, so you have a positive adaptation from doing this kind of HIIT training especially. So this means that at higher intensities, you can go longer before fatigue or pain slows you down. So you got to improve that lactate threshold in you know, raise the lactate threshold speed work is how you do it.

The other reason why speed work will help you build endurance is because it helps to improve your body’s ability to deliver oxygen to working muscles. Oxygen delivery is key in endurance. And one really good way to improve your endurance is to do the speed work.

It also helps you with energy production. So your body has this ability to produce energy with oxygen and without oxygen. So when you’re without oxygen is like what we call the anaerobic zone, that’s when you’re doing like sprinting, you’re gonna just run out of gas at some point, you can only sprint for 10 seconds, 20 seconds, something like that.

And then you’re going to absolutely hit the wall. So when we practice that kind of interval training, you’re training your body to use oxygen more effectively. Another key to doing this speed work is that it helps to improve your ability to use both fat and carbohydrates as fuel sources, which is really a key right there, okay.

Because when you’re doing the speed work, you can bump up your body’s ability to burn fat. And a lot of people say well, you know I’m running faster, so I have to have the sugar. I need gels I need to fuel up I need to use sugar. You really don’t.

There have been a lot of athletes. One that comes to mind is Jeff Browning. He’s an ultra runner. And this guy’s been fat-adapted for years. He’s an elite ultra runner, he wins all kinds of stuff. Amazing guy. But he has been proven.

They’ve done some testing on him. And they’ve shown that he has the ability to burn fat, like more than just about anybody else out there. So most runners who are carb-adapted, they hit this switchover point around 65% of their VO2 max where they’re going from burning mostly sugar, or I’m sorry, burning mostly fat to burning mostly sugar.

So 65% is the traditional cutoff point or changeover point for most carb-adapted runners. But guys like Jeff Browning, he’s trained his body to use fat, mainly fat as fuel up to 90-95% of his VO2 max.

Even some people can go up to 100% of their VO2 max using just fat as fuel, it’s pretty awesome. You know, because that means that you can go much faster than previously thought possible. Right.

And then lastly, running faster helps to improve your cardiovascular fitness, it helps to improve your muscular endurance, and just helps you to improve as an athlete overall. So the speed work is key to improving your endurance for all these reasons.

And then lastly, number five. The fifth way to improve your endurance as a runner, and this is probably the biggest key to all of this is you have to be consistent, it takes time to build endurance as a runner. And consistency is going to be the key to doing this.

If you only do these things here and there, so if you do the speed work, you know, once a month or something like that, because you hate it. I talk to so many people are like I hate doing speed work. But I want to get faster, oh, I want to run longer. Okay, well, then you got to do the speed work.

But if you do these things inconsistently, you’re gonna get inconsistent results, right? You’re just not going to get there. You need to be consistent with your training volume, with your diet, with your strength training, and with your speed work. Consistency is key.

The way you accomplish anything in this world really is to take consistent aligned action, what are the actions that you need to take that are going to get you to this goal? Okay, make sure you know what to do. That’s key, right? But then practice doing those things consistently. That’s it. That is the key right there. Okay.

I mentioned like learning how to play the guitar earlier. If you want to learn how to play the guitar, you have to practice it and you have to be consistent with it. And it’s going to suck at the beginning and you’re going to be terrible. And everybody’s going to tell you to stop playing because it sounds awful. But you have to stick with it. And you got to keep doing it.

You have to take consistent aligned action if you want to accomplish anything in this world. Okay. Practice consistently improving your endurance and you’ll be running longer and easier before you know it. Cool. All right, that’s all I got for you today. I love you all, keep on Running Lean, and I will talk to you soon.

216. An Alternative Way To Fuel Long-Distance Running

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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there, and welcome to episode 216 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners and today, an alternative way to fuel long-distance running. So as runners, we’ve been told over the last 40 years or so that the only way to fuel for running is with carbohydrates, carbs, loads and loads of carbs.

Eat lots of carbs every day, carbo-load the day before you run, carb up in the morning pre-run, consume ample carbs during your run. And then of course, you’re gonna want some carbs for recovery after your run.

This has been the standard approach since the 1980s. But it’s definitely not the only way to do things. The thing is, this approach just doesn’t work for everyone. Some people like me gain a lot of weight eating all those carbs regardless of how much we run. So in this episode, I offer an alternative way to fuel long-distance running one that doesn’t cause you to gain all that weight in the process.

But first, I know I share a lot of information here on the podcast about nutrition, weight loss, and improving your running. If you’re new to the podcast, it can probably feel a little overwhelming. And you’re like I don’t even know where to start with all this.

And if that sounds like you, totally cool, I got you covered. I created a free training. It’s about an hour long. It’s a video that you can watch, you can check it out anytime it’s called 5 Simple Steps To Becoming A Leaner Stronge Runner.

In this video, you’re gonna learn the basics of nutrition, strength, endurance, and mindset, all these things that are geared towards you the long-distance runner. So if you’re ready to get leaner, and if you’re ready to get stronger, if you’re ready to become the most badass version of yourself that I know you are, then this free training is exactly what you need to get started. Just go to runningleancoaching.com and click on Free Training.

Okay, so let’s talk about an alternative way to fuel long-distance running. Why do I want to talk about this today? Because I keep hearing from runners and I keep reading articles online and social media posts for runners that talk about eating all the carbs.

And I’m like, gosh, are we still talking about this? Since the 1980s, the carb-loading approach has been the gold standard, so to speak for runners just eat all the carbs, and you’re going to find that most coaches teach this approach.

Most experts, quote-unquote experts, teach this approach. When I got my running, coaching certification, when I went through my coaching certification program, I was taught this approach. And this approach is fine. And it does work for some people. But it doesn’t work for everybody.

For some of us, like me, eating all those carbs caused us to gain a lot of weight in the process. You know, and I’m not against having carbohydrates. In fact, I think using carbohydrates strategically for running is a great tool.

It’s a really good tool that you have in your tool belt, why not use the carbohydrates as fuel, especially for the higher intensity stuff or races? But eating all the carbs all the time, is what we’ve been taught and it just doesn’t work for everybody.

You know, I’m one of those people that is very sensitive to carbohydrates. You know, I eat carbs and I gain weight. And so if I just take this standard approach to fueling for long-distance running, I ballooned up 40 more pounds, 50 more pounds, whatever.

You know, I’ve shared this before where I was training for ultra marathons, I was running all the time, I was doing a ton of mileage and gaining weight in the process. You can’t outrun the wrong diet, right?

So for me the all carbs all the time approach while I loved it. Who doesn’t love eating carbs all the time? Oh, pizza, sure. Ice cream. Yep, that’s going to, I mean, I’m a runner, so I gotta eat this stuff. Right? Spaghetti all the time. Like I was just I was eating tons of bread and pasta. And sugar, like this was my diet. You know, it was like a 90% carbohydrates, you know?

And I just kept gaining weight and gaining weight and I was like wow, even though I was running a ton, you know, I was training for ultra marathons and running ultra marathons regularly and then gaining weight in the process does not make sense, right?

You are supposed to lose weight when you start training. Well, the wrong diet won’t allow that to happen, right, so the wrong diet will cause the weight to continually stack up. So for me, this this all carbs all the time approach is one that I tried, and it just didn’t work for me.

You know, I also found that I would crash and burn during long-distance events. And I’m like, what’s going on here, because I’m using all the fuel. You know, I’m taking all the gels and I’m eating, I’m pre-loading with carbs and do all this stuff. But I keep crashing and burning and mile 18 to 22 of a marathon, you know.

And I was like this, this isn’t working, like there’s got to be a different approach here. Okay. And there is, there are, there is an alternative approach, there are probably multiple other approaches that you can take.

But there’s one specific that I want to talk about today, one that doesn’t require eating all the carbs all the time, and one that doesn’t require you to gain a bunch of weight in the process, if that’s you.

And listen, if you’re the kind of person that can eat all those carbs, and not gain any weight, and it works really well for you, then keep doing your thing. Keep doing that. My hat’s off to you. But if you’re somebody that’s like Patrick, that really doesn’t work for me, then listen up, because here’s the different approach you want to take.

You want to get yourself fat-adapted. So we’re talking about this concept of fat adaptation. Fat adaptation means that you train your body to burn your stored body fat as fuel for long-distance running.

When you stop eating all the sugar and all the carbs constantly, you give your body a chance to tap into your stored body fat as fuel. So the way this works, essentially, is think about your different fuel sources in your body as like a fuel tank, and the top layer of that fuel tank is what’s gets burned first.

And that top layer is going to be sugar, essentially glucose, glycogen, that kind of stuff. So that is going to be burned first. And as long as that’s available, that is what’s going to be constantly burned. Okay.

And so the concept, but behind all carbs all the time thing is like you want to keep that top layer of the tank filled at all times so that you’re constantly always burning that. The problem is that when you run out of that, maybe you get to mile 20 of the marathon and you just haven’t done a good job of keeping up with the amount of carbs that you need for that event, or you haven’t trained yourself to metabolize carbs that to that extent.

That top layer of the tank is going to run out and then you’re going to crash because you don’t, you don’t have access to that lower portion of the gas tank, which is the biggest portion, I’m going to say it’s probably like 90% of that gas tank is going to be your fat stores.

But you don’t have access to that because you haven’t trained your body to use that fat as fuel, like the pathways are not there. So what happens is that when you stop eating the sugar and the carbs all the time?

You start to train your body to use the alternative fuel source, the fat stores the stored body fat, you know, we all eat some, you know, we all eat food and some of that energy that we consume gets used towards working muscles, some of that energy gets stored as fat to be used later as fuel.

The problem is we’ve just gotten so far away from using our stored body fat as fuel, it’s kind of like we just constantly put wood on the woodpile, but we’re never burning the wood it just keeps stacking up that’s our fat stores just getting bigger and bigger.

So when you train yourself to tap into those stored to your stored body fat as a fuel, now you have this like almost unlimited fuel source for running. So that’s the concept of fat-adaptation, you’re removing the sugar and the carbs that that initial, like, let’s say 10%.

And I’m kind of making these numbers up but just think of it like you know, we only have the capacity to store like 2000 calories as of energy as glucose but we have our body fat can can store hundreds of thousands of calories of energy as stored body fat, so just know that yeah, it’s probably like 10% and 90%, something like that. It’s probably more like 99 and 1% or something okay.

Anyway, so we want to get ourselves fat-adapted we want to be able to adapt to using that stored body fat as fuel. Okay, now, people hear this and they’re like, oh, that’s crazy. That’s just some weird fringe thing, it’s probably a fad, and it’s gonna go away.

Listen, we’ve been doing this for millennia, as human beings, we’ve been doing it for more than millennia, for like millions of years. Fat Burning is our natural state as human beings. You know, we store some of that energy we consume as body fat, and we use it when we’re not eating.

This is the way the human body is designed, you know, there’s periods of feasting, and there’s periods of fasting during those periods of fasting, we should be tapping into our stored body fat as fuel. Humans are really good at this, we are naturally really good at using fat as fuel.

And we’re naturally good distance runners like we used to be hunter-gatherers, we used to be a persistence Hunter, so we would, we would chase down prey, and we would outrun them not from a speed perspective, but from a time perspective like we would, you know, cut an antelope out of the herd or whatever.

And they might be able to outrun us in the short distance, but over time, like over hours and days, we would run them down to where they just would die of exhaustion. You know, poor antelope. I know, but good for us, because now we have this nutrient-dense meal that would that would sustain us, you know.

So the human body is designed to use that stored body fat as fuel during those times when we didn’t have the other food coming in. Okay. So to say that, oh, you have to consume all the carbs, all the pasta, all the bread all the time, just to be able to run?

That’s actually the new thing. That’s actually the weird fad thing that we’ve only been doing for the last 40 years or so. Right? I mean, isn’t that interesting that people look at this fat-burning thing. And they’re like, oh, you know, that’s not the way you should do it.

And I’m like, well, listen, we’ve been amazing runners for millions of years as humans and we never had to eat all the pasta and bread and gels and stuff like that. Why now? Should we have to do that? Okay.

So not only is it not a fad thing, or some weird approach, like there are elite runners that have adopted this approach for years and years and years, and they’re at the top of their game, you know, I’m gonna mention a couple of them here.

And I’ve talked about these guys before on the podcast here. And there are countless others too, but these guys just are kind of like the top, you know, the top 1% or whatever. Jeff Browning. He’s an ultra runner. He’s finished nearly 200 ultra marathons in his career. He’s had over 40 career ultra marathon wins 29 of those at the 100 mile plus distance, making him second in the world for the most 100 mile wins in history.

Ranked seven times in the top 10 of ultra running magazines, North American Ultra Runner of the year, ranked third in Ultra running magazines, North American Ultra Runner of the decade. He builds multiple, multiple course records, including the Moab 240 course record, and he is a low carb, low carb, high-fat kind of he takes that approach to his training.

You know, he’s very vocal about his fat-burning approach, his fat-adapted approach to ultra running, you know, he doesn’t consume all the sugars and all the gels and all the pasta and all the carbs. All right.

And another one that comes to mind is Mike McKnight. He’s an ultra runner. He specializes in the 200 mile distance. And he posed several wins every year for different events. He’s kind of known because he ran 118 Miles while consuming zero calories, zero calories. He ran 118 miles. He was just relying on his own stored body fat for fuel and he’s a pretty, pretty lean guy. You know? He’s amazing.

And I actually tried this, I was like, hey, you know, I’m gonna I’m gonna give this a shot. I didn’t do 180 miles but I did two marathons and a 50k ultra marathon on zero calories just to say like, Oh, can I even do this? Yeah, I could do it and I was fine. Really no problems whatsoever.

And then of course, there’s Zach Bitter. He’s an American ultramarathon runner. He specializes in the 100 miler distance and he’s done like over 60 ultras. He’s known for his low-carb diet, which he uses for training and racing nutrition. He had the record for the 100 miler. One point of 11 hours, 19 minutes and 13 seconds. I’m gonna say that one more time because that is a crazy number, he ran 100 miles and 11 hours in 90 minutes. That’s insane.

He’s the holder of the 12-hour American record at 104.88 miles. He claims the 100-mile and 12-hour world records at the Six Days in the Dome event in Milwaukee in 2019. Competed for team USA world 100 Kilometer team three times.

So these are guys, these are just some of the guys who are benefiting and their, their elite athletes who are at the top of their game. And they’re taking this low-carb approach to distance running. They’re not consuming all the carbs all the time. Yeah, they do use some carbs for their events.

And they’ll tell you, you know, you can check them out, or their websites, check them out on social media, they have podcasts and stuff like that, you can totally listen to what these guys say. And they’ll tell you they do like maybe, you know, 30 to 50 grams of carbs per hour for these events, which is not a lot. But they’re not eating all the carbs all the time. They’re taking this fat adaptation approach to running and it’s working really, really well for them. Okay.

Another thing to consider here is that if your goal is to lose weight, then this is a great way to lose weight. Because listen, if you want to lose weight, what do you got to do? You have to burn a fat, right?

We’re not talking about weight loss, we’re talking about fat loss. So you have to burn the fat. If you are burning the fat, you are losing weight. And it’s really hard to burn the fat when you’re on that super high-carb runner’s type of diet, right?

Because of the whole fuel source prioritization, you know, you’re going to burn through the glucose first, then you’re going to tap into the fat but you gotta like, You got to eliminate that top 1% or whatever of your fuel tank.

So if fat burning is the key to weight loss, which it is, wouldn’t you want to do it? It that makes fat burning the priority? Yes, you would. When you eat for fat-burning, you’re running improves your endurance and improves and you lose weight in the process. Right?

So if you’re somebody who is interested in losing weight, this approach might work for you, it may be something you want to consider. Okay, and and listen, when we talk about a low-carb approach to fueling a low-carb diet, a low-carb, you know, nutrition approach; a lot of people think, you know, you’re talking about keto, or doing no carbs or carnivore or something like that.

No, it’s not about that. It’s about finding the right amount of carbs that keeps you burning fat, while also helping you’re running because carbs are helpful for running, right? You don’t have to be Mike McKnight and do the zero-calorie thing. But it’s cool that the human body can do that, you know.

That’s fat-adaptation. And it’s most impressive, like what that guy does, right? And by the way, this guy is not fat, right? You don’t need a ton of body fat, to be able to use your own stored body fat as fuel.

Even the leanest of athletes can benefit from fat adaptation as an approach. Okay, so this doesn’t mean that you’re never eating any carbs, you can still eat some carbs. I use carbs for fuel, and I encourage my clients to use carbs for fuel, but we prefer like whole food sources of carbs, you know, we might be talking about bananas or sweet potatoes or rice or something like that, right?

And obviously, everybody’s a little bit different. And you have to kind of experiment with what works for you. But there’s, there’s tons of great options just from the natural world like and sticking with whole food sources of carbohydrates is great.

Now I get it that when you’re in any event, like you can’t carry a bunch of sweet potatoes or bananas with you. I mean, it’s just really not that convenient. But what’s cool is that there are a bunch of brands out there that cater to the low-carb endurance athlete, and they have entire product lines that are geared towards helping you fuel for running while maintaining that fat-burning state.

So like Hammer Nutrition is one you can use. S-Fuels, Muir energy, and there are a bunch of other brands out there and new ones coming out all the time. So that’s a very encouraging thing that there are companies out there that are that are gearing their product lines towards the low carb endurance athlete. Okay.

Now, just like I said, at the beginning of this podcast that the high-carb approach isn’t for everyone, just like that, like the fat-adapted approach probably isn’t for everyone. So I’m not going to come out here and say that everybody should do this. And everybody will benefit from this.

Some people do really fine eating all the carbs and the sugar and the gels, and they never have to worry about gaining weight. And if that’s you, that is amazing. That’s definitely not me. But if you struggle with losing weight, and you love running, then this might be the approach that you want to try.

You know, the only way you can tell if it works through you, or if you enjoy it, or if you can do this as a lifestyle as to give it a shot, you might see the weight start to come off, you might experience running feeling easier than ever before.

You might see your energy levels are better all day long, no more afternoon crashes, you might begin to think more clearly be able to focus and concentrate better. And as always, if you want help with any of this, you can always reach out to me you can go to my website runningleancoaching.com.

Every day I help runners get fat-adapted, lose weight, improve their running performance and make all this a lifestyle. So whatever approach you take cool, but it has to be something that is sustainable for you. Because if it’s not sustainable for you, it’s not going to work because this stuff takes time.

You know, if you want to lose weight, and you want to improve your diet, improve your nutrition, improve your running and your nutrition for running specifically, then you’re gonna have to take a little bit of time to figure out what works for you. And it has to be something that you can do sustainably long term, right?

So I work with my clients, we work together to make sure whatever they’re doing is something that they can do on their own like for good, or it’s not about quick fixes, but lifestyle changes, right being fit and healthy isn’t a destination we’re trying to get to. It’s how we live our life. Okay. Consider the fat-adapted approach. I think it’s amazing. It works really well for me and countless people that I work with. Give it a shot. You never know. That’s all I got for you today. Love you all, keep on Running Lean and I will talk to you soon.

210. Common Weight Loss Myths Debunked

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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there and welcome to episode 210 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners, and today, Common Weight Loss Myths Debunked. So it’s a new year. And it’s a time when a lot of people become ultra-focused on their health, fitness and losing weight.

It’s also a time when a lot of people will try some new fad diet, or some new exercise routine that promises instant weight loss with minimal effort. I’m definitely not going to do that here today because I’m a big fan of the slow and steady approach to losing weight and being able to keep it off for good.

So in this episode, Common Weight Loss Myths Debunked, I’m going to clear up some of the most prevalent misconceptions about weight loss and offer up some helpful tips on what you should do instead.

But first, I share a lot of information here on the podcast about proper nutrition, losing weight, improving your running and building strength. If you’re new to the podcast, it might seem a little overwhelming. And you might not know where to even start with all this stuff.

And if that sounds like you, no worries, I’ve got you covered, I created a free hour long training video that you can check out at any time it’s called Five Simple Steps to Becoming a Leaner Stronger Runner.

You’re gonna learn the basics of proper nutrition, strength, endurance, and mindset all geared towards you the runner. So if you’re ready to get leaner and stronger and become the most badass version of yourself yet, then this free training is exactly what you need to get started, just go to runningleancoaching.com and click on Free Training to get started on your weight loss journey today.

All right, let’s get into today’s topic, Common Weight Loss Myths Debunked. I was thinking about this as we start the new year here it is now January of 2024, Happy New Year to all of you. And I was thinking about what people tend to do at the beginning of the year like this, they tend to jump on to some fad diet, or or do something they read about on social media to lose weight and maybe improve their exercise or start running or something like that.

And it usually ends up being something that is very short-lived. That’s why the gyms are full in January, and they’re empty again in March. So we need to take a different approach, okay? And some of the things that are spread out there in the world, some of the conceptions that people have around weight loss are confusing, and they’re not always correct.

And I want to clear up some of these common myths, you know, some of these common principles that people tend to think are the truth that really aren’t. So just sit back and enjoy this episode today, because I’m going to debunk some of these common weight loss myths.

Now, the first one is going to be that it’s all about calories. And this is one of the most common weight loss myths out there where it’s just all about calories, you just have to eat less, and you will lose weight. That’s it that is the one principle that most diets out there adhere to whatever the diet is, they typically are trying to get you to eat fewer calories like that is the principle of most diets.

Also with weight loss drugs, weight loss surgeries, these are all getting you to not eat as much. And the issue with this is that yes, you can lose weight by reducing your calories, it is a very effective way to lose weight. Look at shows like The Biggest Loser, they restrict calories for these very obese people. They have them exercise like crazy, and they do lose a lot of weight.

The problem with this approach is that it is not sustainable. They have done many, many studies. In fact, there was a big meta-study that was done that looked at all these other studies that showed that calorie restriction diets are the most effective at short-term weight loss.

They are also and this is the important part, the least effective long-term weight loss approaches So when you restrict calories for a period of time, what happens is your body goes into starvation mode. So your body will think that you are starving, basically, you’re not getting enough calories to satisfy your energetic needs throughout the day.

And so your body will actually slow down your metabolism over time to match the calories that are coming in. So let’s say you’re somebody that normally eats 2000 calories a day, and you restrict your caloric intake to 1000 calories a day, that’s gonna be fine for the short term, but over time, your body will slow down your metabolism to match the amount of energy that’s coming in.

So now, instead of burning 2000 calories a day at rest, that’s your resting metabolic rate, your body’s like, nope, we’re only going to burn 1000 calories a day, because that’s all we have ever coming in. So what happens is now the 1000 calories a day is not a deficit anymore.

And so the weight loss stops, and actually, you start gaining weight, because you’re still eating the, you know, the 1000 calories a day, and maybe your metabolic rate drops even more. And you can’t lower your caloric intake, you can’t keep lowering your caloric intake to match your slowdown in metabolism.

So this is a very bad approach to weight loss, like just cutting calories and thinking that that is the answer. Again, it does work in the short term. And that’s why so many people promote this type of diet where you know, just don’t eat as much. The problem with is not sustainable, it is not something that you can do long term because your body will go into that starvation mode.

And as a runner especially, you do not want to reduce your caloric intake, especially long term, this can dramatically affect your running performance, because as you ramp up your mileage, you ramp up your intensity levels, and your caloric intake needs to match that.

So you actually need to a lot of times you need to increase your caloric intake as a runner, especially as you’re getting toward the late stages of a training cycle. Another thing to consider is caloric restriction, a lot of the caloric restriction diets will cause you to lose weight, but that weight is in the form of fat and muscle and connective tissue and bone density. This is not good.

As a runner, you do not want to lose muscle, you don’t want to lose bone density. A little bit of a
side note here, there are a lot of new weight loss drugs out there and people are talking about drugs like Ozempic, right? And they’re showing oh, these are so effective at people losing weight.

What they’re not telling you though, is about 40% of the weight that people are losing, you know using drugs Ozempic is muscle, bone, and connective tissue. You know, connective tissues are ligaments and tendons. And I don’t know about you, but I’m not willing to sacrifice muscle, bone and connective tissues just so I can lose weight.

It’s not about weight loss where we want to focus on fat loss, right? It’s not about just restricting calories, there’s a lot more going on that you really have to consider here. Okay. Instead of focusing on just restricting calories, try focusing instead on eating real food eating nutritionally dense foods, foods that are satiating foods that when you eat them, you feel satisfied.

A lot of the calorically dense or I’m sorry, the the foods that are not calorically dense, or the the empty calorie type of foods that are a lot of the processed foods, a lot of the foods that are full of sugar and refined grains and things like that will actually hijack your hunger signals and make you feel super hungry even though you’re eating a ton of food.

You can feel super hungry in between meals, and they actually cause you to overeat. So we want to be eating foods that are satiating that fill us up and that don’t mess up our hunger signals.

So what I recommend is eating food, real food that still looks like food, meat, fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, dairy, all the stuff that is just the normal stuff you see on the outside of the grocery store.

Stay away from processed foods. Stay away from sugar, stay away from refined grains. These foods make you feel super hungry. It’s hard to lose weight when you’re eating mostly processed foods and sugars.

Those things will mess up your hunger signals. They won’t make you feel full and satisfied when you do eat. And if you’re trying to lose weight, and you’re hungry all the time, that’s a bad combination right there. That’s where you start to get hangry right? Angry and hungry at the same time.

So there’s a lot more going on here. And it’s not just about calories. In fact, just reducing calories is not a really good way to lose weight. And it’s really not a long term, definitely not a long term approach that’s going to work for most people. Okay. So that’s number one. It’s all about calories. I think we busted that myth right there.

The next one is that we just need to exercise more. So exercise more, that’s all you need to do. It really doesn’t matter what you eat. As long as you’re burning it off, you’re fine. It’s okay to overeat. It’s okay to eat whatever junk food you want. Just run more, just exercise more, get your cardio in every day, and you’ll be fine.

Here’s the thing, right now we are exercising more in this time in human history than we ever have as human beings. And we are more overweight, more obese, and have more metabolic dysfunction than any other time in human history.

Clearly exercising more is not the answer. I talk to people literally every single day who tell me, Patrick, I gain weight, I’m running more and I keep gaining weight. I’m training for a marathon and I’m gaining weight. Every time I increase my exercise, I end up gaining weight.

And I’m like, yeah, I know, this was me, too. For years there, I was running at least two marathons a year, I was running several ultra-marathons every year. And in that process, I was gaining weight consistently.

And over a few years, I gained something like 40 pounds. And this was you know, when I was doing that pretty typical training for me at the time, which was running a few marathons and a few ultra marathons every single year.

So I was training a lot, I was running a lot and I was doing other types of cardio and cross training and strength training and things like that. So this concept of exercising more, it just doesn’t hold up. Okay.

Never in human history, have we needed to, quote-unquote, like exercise to maintain a healthy weight, to maintain a healthy metabolism, to maintain good health and fitness. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors, they did not like intentionally exercise, they weren’t out there, you know, doing calisthenics every day.

They actually were focused on energy conservation, they did not exert themselves excessively, they rested whenever they didn’t have to go out there and, and walk distances, you know, and hunt prey or gather, you know, fruits and vegetables and things like that.

So they were actually focused on conserving energy, you know, they probably walked a few miles every day. At times, they may have done more than that, but they weren’t like running consistently all the time. They did some running. But it wasn’t something they were doing, like running ultra marathons for fun. Like, you know, they just didn’t do that. It was stupid to like, you know, use that much energy, you don’t see any animal ever, you know, just exercising for the heck of it. You know what I mean?

We actually see this today in modern-day hunter-gatherer tribes like the Hadza in Tanzania, they have been a well-studied group of people. They are super fit, they’re healthy, they’re lean, they’re strong. They don’t have all the metabolic diseases that we have in the Western world here.

They don’t have diabetes, they’re not obese, they don’t have heart disease. So all that stuff is really not present with these people. And they are a hunter-gatherer triad, very similar to our ancient ancestors. So, you know, humans have evolved over two and a half million years.

And for the vast majority of that time, we were hunter-gatherers, and living in tribes, and we were super fit healthy, lean, and strong people. The only time we started to experience all this metabolic dysfunction and disease is, is within the last few 100 years, really, you know, maybe 500 years, 1000 years, even like 2000 years.

You can go back to the time of the ancient Egyptians, when we started to see them using more grains and eating a lot more refined grains in the form of flowers and things like that. So they started to you know, perfect agriculture and they were eating a lot more grains and you can see that the distended bellies of the mummies because they actually have the actual whole person preserved as a mummy.

And their teeth are all messed up. You know, they have a lot of tooth decay from the sugar and the grains they were eating and they have lives distended bellies, which means they were starting to gain weight, even that was 2000 years ago.

So in the long span of human history, there’s only a short amount of time, where we actually are starting to experience all these metabolic diseases. And they’re all really based off of our diet, you know, so we see tribes like the Hadza. And we can kind of look at them and say, like, yeah, they’re pretty close to what our ancestors used to be like.

And what’s interesting about the Hadza, is that their metabolic rate, so how many calories they burn at rest is about the same as the rest of us in the Western world here. For men, it’s like 2500 calories a day. For women, it’s 1900 calories a day, that’s pretty similar to where we are here in the Western world.

So you can’t say like, oh, well, they just exercise more, they don’t, they’re doing about the same amount of exercise we’re doing, they get in some steps every day they walk in, they might be getting in 10 to 15,000 steps a day, which is, you know, what we’re supposed to be getting anyway, you know, it’s kind of recommended.

And for the vast majority of us, you know, we’re getting around 3 or 5000 steps a day, without any intentional exercise. So we’re just in our daily lives, you know, we’re getting about a third, you know, half to a third of that, in the amount of steps we take on a daily basis anyway.

And if you’re a runner, you’re definitely getting that 10,000 steps a day, you know, so these people who are really about the same as us in most aspects, they, they don’t exercise exceedingly. They are extremely healthy, fit, lean, and strong, and their metabolic rate is about the same as ours.

So it doesn’t mean, like you need to exercise more, you know, so please understand this, like the answer is not doing a ton of cardio and trying to burn off the food, you can eat a bunch of junk food, and then think that you’re gonna burn it off. It just doesn’t work that way. Okay. So let’s just put that one to rest.

The next weight loss myth that I want to debunk is that the XYZ diet is all you need. So whatever that one diet is, right? There are so many crazy diets out there, there’s literally thousands of diets. And in doing a little bit of research for this episode, I started looking at some of the weirder diets that are out there. And I cannot make this stuff up.

But there’s a diet called the cotton ball diet, which is where you soak cotton balls in different liquids, you know, like, cabbage juice, or fruit juice, and then you eat that, right? And you actually, it’s supposed to make you feel more full because you’re eating these cotton balls, and it gets you past the cotton balls or whatever. And you’re getting a little bit of nutrition from the juice or whatever the soak in there, but don’t do that. That’s crazy.

Another one is called the werewolf diet. And I was like, oh, what is that, where they eat people? Like what? What is the werewolf diet? And no, it has to do with like fasting around the lunar cycles. Okay, great. I love that one, actually.

And then there’s one that I cannot make this up, this is called the breatharian diet. And these are people that believe that you can subsist on spirituality in sunlight that you only need air to get all the nutrients that you need, that you don’t really need to eat or drink anything, including water. And obviously, if you try this, you will die.

Okay, so the people that are saying they’re practicing breatharians they’ve actually shown them sneaking liquids and food and stuff because you can’t do this, this is not sustainable. I know it sounds crazy. It sounds like I’m like making this up or reading these out of some sort of like, you know, comedy show or something like that. But no, they are things that people have actually done in the past. Okay.

Every diet out there claims to be the answer for everyone. And listen, I’ve tried them all, not the cotton ball or the breatharian diet, although the werewolf diet sounds interesting, I might have to give that one a try. But I’ve tried like most of the diets that are out there, the big popular ones, right?

And to some extent, they all worked. The problem is that nothing I ever did was ever sustainable for me. For example, I started reading about vegetarianism and veganism. And for about five years or so I went and I started cutting out my meat and I started cutting out more and more meat and then fish and then eventually so I went vegetarian then eventually I went plant-based and I did that for like 10 years, so about 15 years I was like vegetarian and vegan essentially.

You know, I stayed away from meat, stayed away from dairy, that stuff is bad for you. And at the beginning, it was okay, like I did lose some weight. But I have to tell you, for me, I gained a lot of weight eating that kind of a diet. Because if you think about it, that diet is mostly almost all 100% carbs, fruits, and vegetables, and that’s 100% carbs.

So for me, that did not work. For me, over 10 years, I steadily gained weight, I gained like 40 pounds in that process of eating a plant-based diet. For me, this was not healthy, and it was not sustainable, gaining weight on any kind of diet, that shouldn’t be the case that’s not good for you, whatever you’re doing.

And I know a lot of people who do really well on a plant-based diet or vegetarian diet, and they love it. And they do it for ethical reasons. Or they do it for reasons that work for them as individuals. And I’m not saying it’s a bad choice for you, I’m just saying that it didn’t work for me.

If I kept doing that, I’d probably be like 300 pounds by now. All right. And I have clients and I work with people who are vegetarians and vegans, and they do well, we can make it work, okay, but we have to stay away from some of the refined foods, and the processed foods and things like that, okay.

The truth is, here’s what I’m trying to get to here, there isn’t one diet that works for everyone, you need to figure out the right formula that works for you. Because you are an individual, you have your own metabolism, your own genetics, your own lifestyle, your own family, your culture of origin, your own food preferences, your own likes and dislikes, you have your own health and fitness goals.

Maybe you’re training for ultra marathons, maybe you want to run your first 5k, or maybe you don’t exercise at all, all these factors, put together mean that you are an individual, and you need to approach nutrition and exercise with this important principle in mind.

That is, you have to figure out what works for you as an individual. And it’s going to look different from what everybody else is doing. And it probably isn’t going to be some preconceived diet that, you know, it’s published in the New York Times or whatever, all right.

This is why I do coaching. And I don’t just prescribe a diet for everyone that I work with. Coaching is a process of figuring out the best approach for you, of figuring out what works for you and what doesn’t work for you. And then modify it as needed until you get the results that you want. It’s simple. It’s a feedback system. Let’s see what’s working, let’s see what’s not.

And we’ll adjust accordingly. But honestly, most people are not willing to put in the time and effort to do it this way. Sorry, but there’s no quick fix here. It takes time to figure these things out. And you have to be willing to invest the time in yourself because that’s what’s required to get the results that you’re going after here. Okay.

So the right diet is not the one that’s out there, it’s the one that works for you, the one that is sustainable for you. Because if it’s not sustainable for you, you’re not going to stick with it, and it’s not going to work long term for you, you’re gonna go back to doing what feels comfortable, and that’s probably eating the junk food because, hey, that’s what feels comfortable, right?

So don’t think that there’s some diet out there, that’s going to work for you that, you know, everybody is talking about these days, because there just isn’t such a thing. Okay. All right. I think that weight loss myth is debunked.

Here’s another one, your metabolism slows down as you get older, so why even bother? And I hear people say this all the time, they’re like, hey, I’m just getting older. So I’m not even going to try to lose weight, you know, I’m not even going to worry about it, because it’s just, it’s not going to work for me because my metabolism just is getting slower and my metabolism slowed down now, and we losing weight is too hard.

And people use this as an excuse to not start or to not change their diet or not to eat healthy foods or whatever. There was a study published a couple of years ago, that suggests that this is just really not true at all. So, your metabolism the rate at which your body burns energy, has long been thought to decline during middle age and then to keep declining as you get older. So for this particular study, researchers looked at metabolism by measuring the total energy expenditure, which includes energy burned at rest, you know, and you know, in order to perform basic functions, like digesting food and energy burned during physical activity as well.

So they looked at exercise and you know, your resting metabolic rate. And they did this study on like 6400 people, ranging from eight days old to 95 years old, along with their height, weight, their body fat percentage. They looked at their average metabolic rates for men, women, and people in different age groups. And they found some very interesting results here based on four distinct periods in people’s lives.

So from infancy to one year old, the metabolic rate surged until it was about 50% higher than it will be during adulthood. So that’s pretty common you like your metabolic rate is going to increase a lot at the beginning of your life, right? And then from the ages of one to 20, the metabolism decreased by 3% per year. Okay, again, very normal.

The one big surprising thing is that from 20 to 60 years old, people’s metabolism doesn’t really change at all. And then after age 60, your metabolism does decrease slightly, but only by about .7% a year, so not as much as people think it does. And definitely not in that middle age. So people think that you know, once you turn 40 like this, it’s all over. Like no, it’s not true at all, like your metabolism really doesn’t start to decrease until you get to about age 60.

So, studies like this are showing us that our metabolism doesn’t have to slow down as we get older, and that it’s much more likely that changes in our behavior are causing us to gain weight as we get older.

Changes in our diet are what can help us to prevent the slowing down of our metabolism. So people want to use this as an excuse as to why they can’t gain weight, but they don’t want to look at their actual diet, you know, their lifestyle choices.

So your lifestyle choices are going to go a lot further in helping you to maintain a healthy weight and even lose weight as you get older. And you can’t use the metabolism as an excuse anymore. Okay, so that myth is totally busted.

Another one that I’ve been hearing a lot about lately is cleanses and detox diets, like that’s all you need to do. You just need to do a cleanse every now and then and you’ll be fine. And listen, almost none of the cleanses and detox diets that are out there today have been proven to be effective on short or long-term metabolic health.

This is another case where people are trying to justify a crappy diet with some sort of a detox or a cleanse. Yes, it is true that today we are exposed to more toxins than probably ever before. But what you need to understand is that most of these toxins you are choosing because of your poor diet, you’re eating processed foods loaded with chemicals, industrial seed oils, deep-fried foods, foods loaded with sugar, and refined grains, all these things are contributing to health problems, all these things are making it harder to lose weight.

So the idea of a cleanse, it’s a good idea. And we should absolutely cleanse our systems of these toxic ingredients. Okay, but you can’t just do it like once a year, the best way to cleanse your body of toxins is to stop eating the toxins. The best cleanse is actually a diet that just eliminates all these terrible ingredients from your life permanently.

So people think that they can eat whatever they want for months, and then just drink a bunch of detox tea or take a bunch of supplements and pull the toxins out of your system. And these things might work. For the short term, they might have some short-term benefits, they might make you feel a little better in the interim, but it’s not a long-term solution.

I was talking to some friends recently, this couple and they’re taking all these expensive supplements to pull all these toxins out of their system. And they were telling me about this whole system of things that, you know, use all these different ingredients. I can’t remember the names of all this stuff, but they, you know, grab the toxins and they pull them out and it takes like six months of this protocol in order to do this.

Meanwhile, they’re taking all these expensive supplements every single day. Okay, that’s great. And I applaud you for trying to get healthier. But what happens after the six months? What do you do? Like do the toxins just come back? Like wouldn’t it be wiser to just eat clean and healthy foods void of all the toxic ingredients in the first place and just keep doing that?

Anyway, never in human history have we needed to go on a cleanse. For two and a half million years as humans, we’ve thrived simply by eating real food. We haven’t had to drink a bunch of detox tea or like you know, eat all these crazy supplements and things like that just to read our bodies of the garbage just stop eating the garbage.

Your body is really good at cleansing itself. Your body is really good at detoxing itself. We have an incredibly complex system to remove toxins from our bodies, let your body do what it’s supposed to do naturally just stop eating the junk food. Okay. So that’s another myth busted, by the way.

So the biggest takeaways here that I want you to have a look at here is like looking at our ancestor years, ancient human civilizations were incredibly healthy, lean, strong and disease free, much like that Hadza tribe today, okay.

They did not count calories. They did not restrict the caloric intake. They didn’t need to exercise like mad every day to stay lean and healthy. They actually were trying to conserve energy. They didn’t have to go on some crazy fad diet. They weren’t eating cotton balls soaked in cabbage juice to lose weight. Their metabolism didn’t suddenly stop working when they hit a certain age. And they didn’t do some weird juice cleanses or take a bunch of detox supplements, right?

What did they do? They ate real food. They ate food that today still looks like food, food that our ancestors would recognize, that their ancestors recognize that’s just food, just eat food. Stay away from the processed foods stay away from the Frankenfoods.

Try to eliminate sugar and refined grains. Those things have only been around for a short period of time in the course of human history. Stay away from seed oil. Stay away from toxic ingredients. Stay away from fried foods. Yes, exercise, and keep on running, but don’t do it to try to lose weight.

Do it because it’s good for you. It’s good for your mental health and emotional health. It’s good for your heart. It’s great at helping you to manage stress, just don’t run a bunch to try to lose weight because that doesn’t work. Okay, so those are the common weight loss myths debunked.

I hope you got something good out of this episode today. If you did shoot me a message and tell me what you liked about it. Okay, that’s all I got for you today. Love you all, keep on Running Lean and I will talk to you soon.

201. Reversing Disease Through Nutrition and Exercise with Dr. Marvin Merrit

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Patrick McGilvray
My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner, Sports Nutritionist, Master Life Coach, and weight loss coach for runners. I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you properly fuel your body and your mind. So you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought possible. This is Running Lean.

Hey there, and welcome to episode 201 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, The Weight Loss Coach for Runners and today, reversing disease through nutrition and exercise with Dr. Marvin Merrit.

So I recently sat down with Dr. Marvin, and we had this awesome conversation about what it means to be a healthy human being. In the world of health and fitness. There’s a lot of confusing information out there. And it can feel pretty overwhelming. And a lot of this information can even be contradictory.

Okay, so how do you know what you should be doing? Well, rest assured that Dr. Marvin and I break it all down for you. And we offer up some very clear strategies for reversing disease, using nutrition and exercise so that you can become the healthiest version of yourself yet.

But first, I know I talk a lot about losing weight, and improving your health and fitness. And I know that all the stuff that even I talk about here can feel a little overwhelming.

That’s why I created a free training just for you. It’s called Five Simple Steps To Becoming A Leaner Stronger Runner. I wanted to make it easy for you, I wanted to break it all down, put all the stuff that I’ve been talking about here on the podcast for over 200 episodes now and give you some really actionable strategies.

So in this training video, you’re going to learn how to fuel your body properly so that you can lose weight and improve your running. You’re going to learn the incredibly important role that strength plays in being a lean healthy runner.

You’re going to learn how to make changes that are actually sustainable, because that is what it’s all about. We’re not interested in short term fixes. We want sustainability with our diet, and so much more. So if you’re ready to get leaner and get stronger, run faster and run longer than ever before. If you’re ready to become the healthiest, most badass version of yourself yet, then check out this free training.

It’s called Five Simple Steps To Becoming A Leaner Stronger Runner. You can find it by going to my website, runningleancoaching.com and click on Free Training.

Okay, without further ado, let’s just get into this conversation. So much fun talking to Dr. Marvin, reversing disease through nutrition and exercise with Dr. Marvin Merrit.

Okay, today, I’ve got Dr. Marvin here, Marvin Merrit and Marvin reached out to me on Facebook, right?

Dr. Marvin Merrit
Yes.

Patrick McGilvray
And you were sharing with me that you teach a lot of the same concepts and principles that I talked about on my podcast, and I share on social media and things like that. And you said, hey, this would be a great kind of collaboration, or maybe we can have a conversation about this.

So we got on a call and you and I had a great conversation where I thought, man, we should really record this, you know, and do a podcast on this because you come out with this healthy eating and healthy lifestyle, from a little bit of a different perspective, being a doctor.

And I typically don’t talk a lot about, about the health, I’m sorry about the medical side of things because I’m not a doctor. I do quote a lot of doctors and I read a lot of the research and I and I understand a lot of the concepts.

And I absolutely know how a lot of these healthy principles can help us with medical conditions. But it’s you know, I don’t like to talk about that stuff, because I don’t have that MD after my name, you know. So that’s where you come in. And I want to just kind of talk to you about, you know, those, the medical side of things and how healthy eating and exercising can help us.

So first of all, before we get into all that stuff, just give us a little bit of background on who you are, and how you got to where you are today with all this stuff.

Marvin Merrit
Sure. Well, basically I’m a kid from New Jersey. I went to college as an undergrad at a small liberal arts college in Iowa. Upon graduation from there, I attended Life University where I got my Doctorate, and I’ve been a practicing physician for almost 40 years.

My practice has taken many manifestations over the years. And now I kind of focus a lot on treating my patients very well. realistically very naturally, through exercise through diet and through nutritional supplements to manage what we call metabolic syndrome, which is type two diabetes, hyperlipidemia, which has high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and hypertension, which we commonly refer to as high blood pressure.

And being that these are all lifestyle diseases, people can go ahead and make that conscious decision. Do I want to live healthy? Do I want to eat healthy? Do I want to increase my exercise?

Because all of those combined together will help with the better control of all of these diseases that many people suffer from not just here in the United States, but around the world and just about all modern countries.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, and when you say that lifestyle diseases, I think that is spot on, because these are things that are caused by lifestyle. Right?

Marvin Merrit
Exactly, exactly. You know, you, you eat poorly, you know, it’s the old story garbage in garbage out, you eat poorly, you’re going to end up with high cholesterol, there’s just no way around it.

You eat too much saturated fats, too much greasy foods, the fried chicken, the French fries, you’re going to end up with high cholesterol levels.

You eat a lot of products that have hidden sodium in it. And I say hidden sodium, because it’s okay to add a little bit of salt at the table, especially if you’re working out, you’re sweating, you want to replace some of those electrolytes.

But there’s so many foods that have hidden sodium in it because sodium for ages has been used as a preservative. And when you start reading things that are in a can, or things that are in a jar, you see all of this hidden sodium in there in its chemical names, such as, you know, sodium benzoate, you know, people don’t know what sodium benzoate is, they just see that it’s another chemical.

But without fully understanding the labels that are on the containers of the foods that we eat, they don’t realize what they actually have. So that’s where it all comes into play.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, and I’m gonna reel it back here in just a second. But I have to tell you, I saw this very funny meme once. And I love this, it really sums it up. It’s a guy, you know, talking to his doctor.

And the doctor says, well, you have all these lifestyle diseases. And the guy says to the doctor, okay, I guess I need to change my lifestyle. And the doctor says, oh, no, here’s a pill.

And I think that sort of sums up the medical, the general medical answer to these lifestyle diseases, which is take this drug, take that drug, don’t change your lifestyle, don’t worry about that. That’s all fine. Just, you know, take these drugs.

What’s your take on that? Like, how do you approach things differently than just prescribing medication for people who have these issues?

Marvin Merrit
What it really comes down to and it’s something that that you talk about is people have to be willing to be uncomfortable, they have to be willing to change their diet, they have to be willing to cut out the starchy carbohydrates, the breads, the cakes, the cookies, that candies, the ice cream, you know, the things that are the comfort foods, they have to be willing to get up off the sofa and move, whether it’s run, walk, ride a bicycle, you know, whatever the case, may be getting the pool and swim a couple of laps, just do something physical every single day, they have to be willing to do that.

And, and it’s, it’s all changing that comfort level, people have to be uncomfortable. There’s nothing wrong with okay, you go out for dinner with your, you know, whoever on a Saturday night and you want to have a little bit of something that you don’t normally eat, that’s okay.

But when you do it every day, that’s what gets them into the position that they’re in. And by doing that, that’s the way they’re able to lower and eventually get off some of these medications like the Metformin and the Glipizide. And, and that’s just for diabetes.

Or you know, the medications that we use for high cholesterol, the statins, which are horrible drugs to start out with, because people have so many side effects with them.

And then the hypertension medications, the ACE inhibitors that yeah, great. So it’s going to help lower your blood pressure, but it’s going to give you a chronic cough for the rest of your life. Why put those into your body when you can put natural healthy foods into your body and reverse all of these situations that you have?

And it’s like I always tell my patients, you know, you can keep a diary, and you can fudge that diary all you want. You can come in and talk to me and you can tell me any story you want. Blood doesn’t lie. When I run your blood, I know the truth.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, that’s cool. So you see a lot of these metabolic syndrome issues with people and you treat them naturally and you see good results. Do you see a lot of reversal of these diseases?

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, I actually do. If you if you get them off, you know, again, the starchy carbohydrates, fruits and vegetables are okay, but you get them off those starchy carbohydrates, all of those carbohydrates turn to glucose, that’s how we metabolize them, the glucose gets in the blood, and that’s going to raise your blood glucose levels.

Now when it gets a little bit too high, that eventually is going to get stored in the liver. And that’s going to get stored as glycogen. Glycogen is good, because we break that down between meals, we break that down when we exercise.

However, if you don’t do that, then that glycogen is eventually going to turn to triglycerides, triglycerides will get them back into the blood, those can clog some arteries, specifically arteries in the heart.

And that’s how people end up with myocardial infarction, heart attacks, they end up with blockages in the carotid arteries, and it just becomes a vicious vicious cycle.

So what I tried to do is change their diets, get them off the carbs, get them off the fats, get them taking some good healthy supplements to help alleviate some of these problems, such as red yeast rice. Red yeast rice is a natural statin. It’s been used for hundreds of years. Okay.

But most doctors don’t want to use it. And I don’t want to get into the whole theories behind, you know, drug reps and you know, and drug labs and things like that. But they are more prone to prescribe a medication than to use something natural because there’s an incentive there to write that prescription.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, I hate that it works that way. So you mentioned like lowering fat intake. What do you mean by that? And like, what do you consider like good, healthy fats?

Marvin Merrit
Okay, so good, healthy fats. Good healthy fats are going to come from things like olive oil. I use a lot of olive oil when I personally cook, because it’s a good healthy fat because you can’t deep fry in it, you just saute in it. Other good healthy fats, avocados, good healthy fats, all your nuts, good healthy fats. Okay, those are all things that are healthy for us.

What’s not healthy is all the processed oils, all the seed oils, while those seed oils are these heavy oils that we just don’t digest well. And because we don’t digest them, well, now they end up getting stored.

And that’s how people also end up suffering from what we call fatty liver disease. The too much of the saturated fats, the fats get stored in the liver, and the liver becomes filled with fat.

It’s reversible, because the liver is one of the most versatile organs that we have in the human body. So we’re able to reverse that. But again, it’s getting off those fats and changing the diet up.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, I tell people, generally speaking to stay away from those seed oils, canola oil, you know, that kind of stuff. Whatever is considered like vegetable oils, you know, because they were designed to be something that was like heart healthy, and they’re sold and marketed as being heart healthy. But I think there’s other implications that eating that stuff. There’s like some long term studies that have been done that have shown that this stuff is just toxic for your body.

Marvin Merrit
It’s extremely toxic. You know, if you remember years ago, they used to say, oh, stop eating eggs, eggs are high and cholesterol. But when you take a look at an egg, an egg is almost the perfect food.

It has protein, it has some fat, okay, it has a little bit of carbohydrate in it. And again, in moderation eating a couple of eggs a week is almost the perfect food. So there’s nothing wrong with that.

Where again utilizing these these vegetable oils, the corn oils. Canola oils. You know, those, those just do not metabolize well in the body. And one of the other things I tell my patients, olive oil aside, the lighter the color of the oil, the healthier it is for you, because it’s not as heavy.

So if you use something like sunflower oil, sunflower oil is a very, very light colored oil. It’s good for you, you can utilize it. It metabolizes well in the human body. You can’t fry in it, deep fry in it, because it won’t hold up, it’ll break down. So those types of oils, those are the oils that tend to be more healthy for us.

Patrick McGilvray
And then how do you figure olive oil and things like that play in? Because olive oil is pretty dark, usually.

Marvin Merrit
Olive oil is pretty dark, but olive oil is purified. And that’s the nice thing about it, you get that extra virgin olive oil, which is the better of the olive oils. And that’s been purified. And that because you can’t deep fry in it. You can only saute like some vegetables or a chicken breast or something like that. It’s not going to be soaked in that oil.

Whereas you take something like a vegetable oil, or an animal based oil like lard and you drop your chicken breast covered in you know whatever coating you put it in and you fry it in there for 10 minutes or so, that oil just soaks right into the meat. It soaks right into that breading. And now you’re eating that oil on top of it. And that’s where the downfall comes.

Patrick McGilvray
Gotcha. Gotcha. And so let’s talk a little bit about the exercise side of things. So tell me a little bit about your history because I know you’re a runner, right?

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, yeah, I run, I cycle. I actually, I was a wrestler. I wrestled in college, I wrestled in high school. I was a lifeguard on the Jersey Shore. That’s the way I worked my way through college.

I’ve always been very, very active. You know, and I picked up running probably about 10 years ago, I got this bug to, I started out walking. And I said, you know, I’ll let me try a little bit of running. And one thing led to the next and before I knew what I was doing, 5K’s and 10K’s and then a triathlon and said, Well, that’s a lot of fun.

So I started doing more and more, I’m just letting through the whole lifestyle of it. And, you know, realize that, you know, you can’t smoke, you can’t drink heavily, you can’t eat poorly, to participate in these sports, it just doesn’t, it doesn’t work with our bodies.

Although oddly enough, I’ve seen some weird things on some of these courses that I’ve run with what people do. But, you know, nonetheless, you know, it’s all part of that healthy lifestyle.

And by exercising, that helps you metabolize all of these good foods that you put into your body into energy. And that gives you the energy to go out there and run 5k, to go out there and run 10k, to go out there and jump on a bike for 30-40 miles. And you don’t feel tired afterwards, you feel energized. On top of that, you get that dopamine release on top of it. And it all just ties together. And that’s what I try to get my patients to do.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, and you have like a running group that you do there. And you’re in Florida, right?

Marvin Merrit
Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah, what I do is on Saturdays, I know it sounds crazy for a doctor to work on Saturdays. But on Saturdays, I go to my office and where my office is located in Pompano Beach, it’s in an office building kind of off the beaten path, which I kind of like and it’s a beautiful lake right across the street.

So my patients, I have two groups of patients, I have my walker patients and I have my runner patients. My walker patients, I meet them early in the morning. And we’ll go out for a two or three mile walk, a brisk walk and get their heart rate up and exercise and stretching beforehand.

We walk, come back, stretch again, we talk a little bit about our nutrition and any challenges that they face during the week.

And then I get my running group and a little bit later on. And we’ll go out for a 5k a three mile run, not too hard of a pace, running about a 13 minute mile give or take. Because some of them are a little bit slower.

And I don’t like to leave anybody behind. So we’ll slow the group down if we have a slower runner. And same thing stretch beforehand, go for a run stretch afterwards, you know.

And everybody says oh, we should go to Dunkin Donuts for coffee, no let’s not go to Dunkin Donuts for coffee, let’s go get something healthy to eat. The coffee is okay, but the Dunkin Donuts isn’t gonna work. And that’s what I tried to do with them at least two to three Saturdays a month, we get together and we do that.

Patrick McGilvray
That’s cool because you’re building this relationship with people where you can share more than you can in a you know, 14 minutes that you have with your patients, you probably spend more time with your patients than a lot of doctors, the traditional doctors that are working for these big insurance companies, they get, you know, certain amount of time they’re allowed to spend with each person. Right?

And that’s it, and then they’re done. But you’re creating these relationships, and you’re having these conversations with people and you’re actually out there running with them. You’re actually out there having breakfast with them. I think that’s really cool.

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, you know, my philosophy has been and to give you a little bit more of the background of how this generation of my practice manifested. Sadly, my mom died from complications of type two diabetes.

And going forward from that I said to myself, I said, you know, and she didn’t take care of herself. That was all part of it I said, people need to be educated. People need to understand because it’s a hidden disease. People don’t really know that they have type two diabetes until something goes really wrong.

Or they just go to the doctor for their annual checkup. And they do blood and they’re, you know, their fasting blood sugar is like 190 or they give a urine and their sugar is like 800 milligrams per deciliter or something like that.

So that’s when they find out about it. For the most part, it’s a silent disease. And because it’s a silent disease, people don’t even realize that something is wrong.

Once they realize something is wrong, then we can get them on the track to doing better, getting better, feeling better, feeling stronger, and reversing most of the symptomatology of type two diabetes. And again, type two diabetes goes hand in hand with high cholesterol, high blood pressure. They all three seem to go together all at the same time.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, you mentioned that diabetes as being sort of a hidden thing and I know a lot of the visceral fat that people have, you know, visceral fat is that internal fat, it’s growing around your organs and things like that’s the really the bad kind of fat.

And people don’t know that they’re, that they’re getting, they don’t know that they have that. Right. I think it was Professor Tim Noakes, who was a long distance runner, and he was running all these marathons he had done like, I forget how many 72 marathons or something crazy like that.

And went to the doctor and was diagnosed with diabetes. And he was like, that’s impossible. You know, I run all these marathons and, and he sort of, I don’t know if he coined this term or not, but he calls it tofi T-O-F-I, thin on the outside fat on the inside. You know, that is like people who are fit and they’re exercising, and they look pretty good from the outside. But inside, there’s stuff going on, they need to get fixed, you know?

Marvin Merrit
Right. Right. And that’s exactly it. The thin on the outside, they’re fat on the inside, because yeah, you carry this layer of visceral fat. We all do, because we use it for insulation when it’s cold. And you live up there in Ohio, you know about cold

Patrick McGilvray
This week for sure, yeah.

Marvin Merrit
You know, it’s, yeah, it’s that body fat, that does help keep us a little bit warmer, which is very, very important. Also, in times of crisis, our bodies will tap into that, you know, internal body fat, but we shouldn’t be carrying enormous amounts of it.

You know, it’s interesting in my, in my, I’m also a college professor, as you know, so when, when I teach, when I teach about the heart, we do dissection. And for years, we used to do these sheep heart dissections.

And one of the things I remember about the sheep hearts is they were very, very fatty, they did some research and sheep actually carry a lot of visceral fat. Granted, they don’t have to worry about diabetes and things like that, like we do, but they carry a lot of visceral fat.

And I still have one of the sheep parts in my lab, and I show my students the sheep part, as compared to a pig heart, which is what we dissect now. Now pigs, they don’t carry visceral fat, they carry body fat, which is a little bit different.

And we take a look at the differences between the two. And I say, can you imagine a human being that has such a poor diet that eats a lot of fat, and they have a heart that looks something like this?

Because they do, they will build up that visceral fat on the heart, which can also compress the heart, which now can result in cardiac conditions. So it all begins to tie in together. It’s how you take care of yourself. How do you choose to live your life? And that’s the bottom line.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, that’s so interesting. So what are some of the main I guess, what is the right word for it, like complaints or whatever the people are coming to you with? Like, what’s the main things people need fixed? And why are they coming to you?

Marvin Merrit
Okay, basically, my practice is straight referral. I don’t advertise. I don’t belong to any insurance companies or anything like that. In fact, I take absolutely no insurance in my practice.

The reason why I do that is because I want my patients to have a commitment. I feel that if an insurance company is paying for them to come, they don’t really see what the insurance company is paying other than their copay, whether it be $5 $10, whatever.

So I want them to have commitment and commitment comes from them paying me, I make it very reasonable for them. But the thing is, is that when they come in to see me their referral, usually from a friend that has seen me or a relative that has seen me, and yeah, their complaint is, yeah, I’m a type two diabetic, I keep going into my medical doctor, all they do is they keep on increasing and increasing and increasing my medication.

And I don’t feel any better. I’m tired. I’m sluggish and rundown. I’m hungry all the time and drinking, like I own the water company, you know. And those are all the symptoms that you see. And then you have to try to fix that.

So the first thing I always do with these folks is, you know, keep a diet diary for me, okay, I want to know everything that goes in your mouth for the next seven days.

I don’t care if you think it’s minuscule, like a piece of gum, I want to know what it is. And then we start taking examination of that we start breaking it down to see what can we replace it with? What changes can we make?

How can we okay, you like gum? Well, I see you’re chewing bazooka bubble gum, which is high in sugar? Well, you know, let’s, let’s see if we can change that to something that’s a little bit less caustic on the body.

Okay, I’m not a big one in artificial sweeteners and things like that. But I’d rather have them chew a gum that has no sugar in it than a gum that’s all sugar. Okay, so these are just the little changes.

And like you do in your podcast, you know, you make these little steps with these people and make little changes in the diet and make little changes in their exercise. And we just start looking at this week after week, month after month.

And what’s really amazing they see it because they’ll see it in their blood work that hemoglobin A1C went from 11.2 to 9.7 they’re not, you know, normal yet they’re still diabetic. But that’s a significant change. And they feel better.

They get on the scale, and they’ve lost 10-15 pounds, they feel better, the clothes fit better. They realize that when they go out to dinner, they don’t have to eat half a basket of bread, you know, they can walk away from the bread.

And again, that is that psychological motivation that happens with these folks. And really what I do with them, Patrick is I give them 90 days, okay? If in 90 days, they can’t comply with my recommendations, I can’t help them. And I very politely, I verbally discharge them, and I send them a certified letter that they’re discharged, that there’s nothing more I can do for them.

Patrick McGilvray
That’s hardcore man.

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, you gotta be, that’s the only way to be because, because otherwise, you’re going to go on to another doctor, and they’re getting another pill, and they’re getting another medication and another prescription.

And then before you know it, they’re taking, I have a friend of mine, sadly, he’s, he’s my age, I’ll be 64. In January, he just turned 64. And he’s a type two diabetic, with all the problems, he will not listen to me.

So he goes to another doctor, he’s on four different diabetes medications, he’s on two different blood pressure medications, and a statin. And that’s just to start out with. And, you know, it’s just, it says, he doesn’t want to be uncomfortable, he’d rather, you know, go out and eat half a pizza.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, there’s this whole mentality that I think we really have to shift and you’re doing a great job of starting to shift this mentality of, I can just do what I want is I just go to the doctor and get a pill or get, you know, get on some kind of drug that’s going to that’s going to allow me to leave this lead this great, crappy lifestyle.

You know, I was talking to an older woman recently. I think she’s in her 70s. And she’s a type two diabetic and is on diabetes medication, and the doctor wanted to up her medication. And she was eating, you know, some cookies or something like that.

And this is a family member, and my girlfriend was like, hey, you shouldn’t be eating those cookies. You know, you got to go on this. If you got to take this medication, you shouldn’t be eating those cookies. And she said, oh, it’s fine, because the medications are free anyway. And so I don’t have to pay for it. So it’s fine. You know, that’s kind of like that is the wrong mentality. Right?

Marvin Merrit
And that’s why I take no insurance.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, exactly. And I love that. And the other thing I wanted to say, and one of the reasons why I really wanted to talk to you is because of that approach that you just talked about that you take with your with your patients, which is the same approach that I take with my coaching clients, which is, we’re going to look at what you’re doing today.

And we’re going to make a few modifications, and we’re going to see how you feel. And then we’re going to make a few more modifications and get your body adjusted to those changes. And then we’re going to like, see how you feel.

And then we’re going to just keep going with that process. I don’t have a diet that I’m going to hand over to them, because there’s no way I can know what’s going to work best for them.

Now, of course, I have guidelines like you do, and I have suggestions. But at the end of the day, everybody’s a little bit different. And everybody approaches this a little bit differently.

Yeah, we lower the carbs, Yeah, we tried to get off sugar, we want to stop using sugar as an emotional management tool. Yes, we need to increase the protein intake, especially if your activity levels are pretty high.

But for the most part, this is going to be very individualized for the person I’m working with. And so many doctors or coaches or, you know, trainers, whatever they have this like one diet, you know, in mind, and I just don’t think that works.

And so that’s what I really like, it was kind of refreshing when you and I talked about that, that, you know, you do take a very individualized approach and you work with each person, you treat them, like an individual because they are and you work around where they are and make a few changes and then continue with that process.

Marvin Merrit
And that’s absolutely, you know, I don’t just hand them a diet. I mean, you can go online and there’s a million diets for diabetics. Oh, do this diet. Oh, do that diet. Oh, do the keto diet, do the Atkins diet. You know, and we can go on and on about that. Oh, do Weight Watchers.

But that’s a cookbook, okay. We can’t do a cookbook. We have to make the recipe, individual to everybody’s lifestyle to everybody’s tastes, so to speak. And that’s what I tried to do because what might work for one patient may not work for the other patient.

And we have to find, you know, what’s that happy medium for that particular patient? What are we going to slowly begin to tweak in their diet? What is their, you know, their level of being able to exercise?

Some of them haven’t gotten off the sofa in 20 years, you know, I certainly can’t have going out and running, you know, 5K’s from day one. But you got to find out what their level of activity is.

I deal with a few patients, unfortunately, they’re either widows or widowers, and you know, they’re at home. And, you know, they don’t get out a lot. And I tell them, you know, what, get a dog. The dog needs to be walked. If you get a dog and you walk the dog, well, now you’re getting out there, and you’re doing some exercise.

And sometimes it’s as simple as easy fix as that and now they also have companionship, something that they’re responsible for, and they’re able to go out and do that. And that’s, that’s just a little easy fix that I do with some of our patients, not all of them, because they all can’t have dogs where they live. But those that can, that’s something that I strongly recommend.

Patrick McGilvray
Not everybody likes dogs, Marvin, okay. You can walk your lizard if you need to. There you go. Yeah. Well, from an exercise standpoint, what do you see as sort of the best types of exercises that kind of across the board, most people should do or get the best benefits from doing regularly,

Marvin Merrit
There should always be a balance between aerobic or cardio exercise and strength training. Again, very similar to the things that you talk about in your podcasts, you know, we talked about, you know, cardio exercise, again, it doesn’t have to be running, but walking, walking at a good pace, you know, not walking, like you’re going through the mall, shopping, but walking at a good pace.

And then some strength training and strength training doesn’t necessarily have to mean, you know, go to the gym and spend hours and hours on end in the gym. All it means is, go on Amazon, get some bands, you know, and, and start doing that.

Some of my patients, I’ll actually, you know, I have the bands in my office. I want to say I sell to them, I sell them for what I paid for it off of Amazon. It’s just a convenience thing. It’s like, here, let me show you how to do this. And I’ll show them a half a dozen exercises to do with the bands, maybe some arm curls, maybe some overhead presses, some, you know, deltoid work, just some things like that.

And I have them worked with bands, sometimes they’ll come to the office on the Saturday sessions, I’ll have them bring their bands with them. And as a group, we’ll do some band exercises. And that’s it just something to get them physically moving again.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, I love that. And I’m a big fan of strength training, especially like actually being intentional about getting stronger muscles. Because as we get older, and I know you probably work with a lot of older people that, you know, one of the biggest issues with older people is that their muscle mass really declines, you know, they start getting very weak.

And then their bone mass also gets pretty weak. And then they fall and they have complications. And that leads to all kinds of issues because now they’re completely immobile, they can’t do anything. So building muscle, building strong muscles, building a strong skeletal system, skeletal muscle and bone sport. It’s so huge. Oh my god, it’s gonna put years and years and maybe decades on your life.

Marvin Merrit
It’s sustaining. You know, without getting too scientific, we have what’s known as Wolf’s law. And Wolf’s law states that the more stress you place on your skeletal system, the healthier your skeletal system is going to be.

And this is something that I find with my female patients is that as they get older, they suffer from what’s known as osteopenia, which is a loss of bone mass. Okay. So I put them on calcium and magnesium that helps with the with the bone mass a little bit from nutritional standpoint.

But they get that way because they haven’t done much in the way of exercise. Now you start putting more stress on the skeletal system by having them exercise a bit, and it’s not so much that you reverse the osteopenia, slowly osteopenia, so it doesn’t progress to a severe case of osteoporosis. And that’s what you really want to prevent. Because you don’t want this poor woman stepping off the curb and the pressure is just right. And boom, she breaks a hip. That’s the thing you don’t want.

Patrick McGilvray
Yeah, what’s the difference between osteopenia and osteoporosis?

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, osteopenia is when you start losing bone mass. Osteoporosis is where the bone actually gets eaten away, and you lose all of this calcium. And it almost looks like in osteoporosis, if you look at it under the microscope, it almost looks like moths have eaten away at the bone, like moths will eat away at a cloth. That’s what it’s like. Osteopenia, you just start seeing on an x-ray, how the bone mass is getting thinner and thinner and thinner. And then it can lead to the next.

Patrick McGilvray
Wow, okay, interesting. Just learn something. That’s cool. So yeah, I think strength is like so huge. It’s like one of the best things you can do for yourself. And I think that if as we get older, if we continue building strong muscles and supporting strong bones, then you’re you’re going to live longer, you’re going to have a better quality of life, you’re less likely to get injured from doing normal day to day things, especially those of us who love to run. And you can run as you get I know people who run marathons in their 90s, you know.

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, there’s a video that I showed to my students when I’m teaching. It was done by PBS, and it showcases an 87 year old man doing the triathlon Escape from Alcatraz. I mean, that’s one of the toughest triathlons because you’re swimming across San Francisco Bay for a mile and a half, followed by I think it’s 20 miles on the bike, and then an eight mile run. And he’s 87. I mean, that’s pretty big. I want to be back. I want to be him. That’s my goal.

Patrick McGilvray
That’s no joke right there. That’s,

Marvin Merrit
That’s my goal. Yeah. That’s my goal.

Patrick McGilvray
That is amazing. Yeah, that San Francisco Bay is brutal. That is brutal. It’s a little stretch of ocean swim. Can’t imagine. People swim in that and they get seasick from this swimming because there’s so much up and down movement. This has been really good.

So let me ask you this. If people wanted to try to find you, how could they reach out to you and, and be able to find you and learn more about you and how they might be able to hook up with you?

Marvin Merrit
Sure, they can email me and marvinmerrit@bellsouth.net. But that’s one way they can call me. And I can give you my cell phone number. I have no issue with that. I always ask though, if you want to reach out to me text me before calling.

I’ll always get back and my phone number is 954-649-5280 Just text me before calling tell me what you need me for. And I’ll be more than happy to, you know, if I’m with patients or teaching, I’ll just politely text you back that I’ll get back to you. But I’ll always get back to people and I always do. That’s just the way I am. That’s the two easiest ways to get hold of me.

Patrick McGilvray
Okay, cool. And do you work with people that are not local to Pompano Beach area?

Marvin Merrit
Yes, absolutely. I can do it. You know, via telehealth, you know, no problem with that at all.

Patrick McGilvray
Cool. Cool. What’s next for you? I know you just did a race about a week ago. Right? What did you do?

Marvin Merrit
Yeah, I did the Danger Point 5k I had a personal best that 3550. Which I was pretty happy with in my ripe old age. I think next I’m probably going to do the jingle bell jog on Christmas Eve. Okay, I’ll do that next.

And I’ll keep training but I’ll take a little bit of time off from from racing because I want to do the In April the Los Olas Triathlon, which is down here that’s, well it takes place on Fort Lauderdale beach and they call it the Los Olas Triathlon because it crosses Los Olas Boulevard which is pretty famous down here.

Patrick McGilvray
Cool. Is that a sprint triathlon? Yeah. Cool. You swim in the ocean?

Marvin Merrit
Oh, yeah, swimming the ocean. And then we’ll see where the spring in the summer takes me. There’s usually a couple of events that pop up. Last year I did the July 4 triathlon. It was a great weekend. Actually a great couple of weeks, I did the Memorial Day 5k followed by the July 4th triathlon, which was on July second, followed by the July 4th 5k, on July 4th, so it was a nice quick couple of weeks and then finished up the end of August with the Iguana Man 5K.

So I try to stay active. I tried to do you know, 5675 k’s a year, two, three triathlons, maybe a duathalon depending on how the water is.

Patrick McGilvray
Cool. You are an example of what is possible, Marvin, I love it. Keep up the good work seriously. You’re doing some work in this world. And you’re helping people get healthier and helping people live longer and helping people figure out how to do all this because it’s confusing.

And there’s a lot of information out there that’s just like, it’s a lot of conflicting information, a lot of confusing information and it’s very overwhelming for people. So to have somebody like you where people can go and, you know, do a consult with you like even you know, over Zoom or however you do it. That’s awesome.

Because that gives people an opportunity to start to see that things can be different for them and they don’t have to be on medication for the rest of their life. Just because you have one of these lifestyle diseases, it’s not a death sentence. It doesn’t mean you can’t improve with the right diet and exercise.

So hats off to you, my friend for doing good work. Keep it up. Thank you for taking some time to chat with me here today. It’s been really fun.

Marvin Merrit
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. Patrick, thank you so much for having me.